WLS 133 – Self Defense Month – Law

episode-tile-Recovered-Recovered-RecoveredWelcome to the We Like Shooting show, Episode 133 – this week is part 4 of a 4 part series discussing self defense, our guest is NRA Board member and founder of Second Call Defense, let’s get it on!

Our cast as always starts with

  • A Do it yourself YouTuber who plans on bringing back AR-15 Carry Handles, lots and lots of carry handles-  Savage1r
  • Retired Navy, advocate for women’s shooting, blogger at heelsandhandguns.com a woman who likes her men like she likes her wine, sweet and intoxicating. – Lil Chantilly
  • Former Marine and owner of River’s Edge Tactical. A man who would give the sleeveless shirt off his own back if it meant he could put on another sleeveless shirt – Jeremy Pozderac
  • Next up, the self proclaimed Machine Gun Moses, a man with a teardrop tattoo for every person he has ever killed – Aaron Krieger.
  • My name is Shawn,and I always wonder why demons in movies always  possessed children and old people instead of the biggest dude.


Disclaimer about not taking everything to heart!

Our guest is Sean Maloney. He splits his time amongst being an NRA Board member, Second Call Defense, Criminal defense attorney, FASTER program and Buckeye Firearms Association.


  • Anatomy of a self defense shooting
  • Aaron: In your experience does the type of ammo effect prosecution for example RIP ammo, Black talon, or self loaded ammo
  • Savage1r – What differences will people see in a court case if they use a weapon other than a gun, such as knife, taser, or blunt object?
  • Lil:  If I hold a home intruder at gunpoint what are the legal pros and cons?  (Separate from if this is a good idea at the moment from a defensive stand point.)
  • Savage1r – legalities of using nfa weapons (sbr/sbs/fa/suppressor) for self defense in the house.
  • Aaron: I know they say that every bullet has a lawyer attached to it, but what is the likely chance to get prosecuted criminally for saving lives, not talking civil just criminal
  • Lil:  If my kids are in my house…  sleeping in different bedrooms upstairs, and someone breaks in my home downstairs, how does that change things?
  • Lil:  If my daughter uses pepper spray against an attacker, what legal issues might she have?
  • Tell us how a prosecutor looks at a self defense shooting
  • Anyone provide insurance for other self defense tools


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  • savage1r: knowing your state and federal laws
  • Aaron – SIRT AR Bolt
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  • Lil – LaserLyte training cartridge – with dryfire
  • Shawn – LASR App w/Sirt, tactical and defense training, 3-gun


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  • Newtown families decide to emulate the Aurora Theater Shooting families and go full retard, likely urged to do so by the Brady Campaign. Notice the article is brought to you by “The Trace”, Bloomberg’s dedicated propaganda wing. “the lawsuit would then head into uncharted territory, as the Newtown plaintiffs seek to use the industry’s marketing tactics against it.” ORLY Connecticut?
  • Slippery slope in oregon. Background checks on all gun show sales, followed by background checks on all sales. Now, after gun crime increased, Gabby Giffords and other anti’s want more because ‘common sense’. “Stopping gun violence takes courage. The courage to do what’s right. The courage of new ideas,” Giffords said. “We must never stop fighting.” – except their courage did wrong, their courage was to repeat old ideas, but they will never stop coming. – Safe storage – violation of Heller.
  • Questions for Sean about SC.
  • 1. Can you explain how heller changed the status of the 2A to a fundamental right and what strict scrutiny means when evaluating a law.
  • 2. What does scalia death mean for the SC, and will his legacy of heller be able to stop most gun control laws if they reach the SC?
  • 3. What can people do to influence the next scj nomination?

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