We Like Shooting 647 – Really happy to be here

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GEAR CHAT

• Titus Arms NYLAUG: Steyr AUG Clone with Nylon-Impregnated Aug Engineering (Nick)Titus Arms offers the NYLAUG, a faithful clone of the iconic Steyr AUG bullpup rifle featuring a nylon-aug (NYLAUG) construction for enhanced durability and lightweight performance. This limited-production model replicates the original’s bullpup layout with modern manufacturing for rarity and collector appeal. Engineered for precision and scarcity in the clone market.
• Rideout Arsenal: Precision Firearms and Tactical Gear Hub (Shawn)Rideout Arsenal operates an online storefront via BigCommerce, specializing in firearms, ammunition, and tactical accessories. The site features categories like rifles, handguns, optics, and suppressors, with a focus on high-quality brands for enthusiasts and professionals. Detailed product listings emphasize specs, availability, and direct purchase options.
• Seekins Precision SIC: Ultra-Precise Integrally Suppressed 6mm Rifle (Nick)The Seekins Precision SIC (Seekins Integral Compensator) is a flagship 6mm rifle featuring an integrally suppressed barrel with a patent-pending design for exceptional accuracy and minimal POI shift. Engineered with a match-grade barrel, advanced recoil mitigation, and premium components, it prioritizes precision shooting with sub-MOA performance. Its rarity stems from custom manufacturing and limited production runs.
• Wraith Metal Works: Custom Firearms Engineering Excellence (Shawn)Wraith Metal Works specializes in high-end custom firearms with a focus on precision engineering and rare mechanical innovations. The site showcases bespoke builds emphasizing durability, rarity, and technical sophistication for discerning collectors and shooters. Availability and pricing are handled through direct inquiries, highlighting their exclusive, made-to-order approach.
• Instagram Post Firearms Feature: Specs Unpacked (Nick)Arken Target Lock 3000 https://www.instagram.com/p/DTsWo6XFAuk/?igsh=MTVnMWY5bG5rNmFiZA== l
• Garmin Xero C2 Chronograph: Pocket-Sized Precision for Reloaders (Nick)Garmin introduces the Xero C2, a compact, Bluetooth-enabled chronograph that delivers lab-grade velocity measurements without the hassle of traditional setups. Weighing just 5.6 ounces and folding to pocket size, it uses a single optical sensor and app integration for effortless data logging and analysis. Priced at an MSRP of $399.99, it’s designed for precision shooters seeking portability and advanced ballistics insights.
• Note (Shawn)the next step in the evolution of C&G Holsters. We’re proud to introduce GEN6 TACTICAL Light-Bearing Holsters
• Rev Industries: Precision Firearms Manufacturing Hub (Shawn)Rev Industries is a firearms manufacturer specializing in high-end AR-15 components and complete rifles, emphasizing custom engineering and billet machining. The site highlights their Rev 1 and Rev 2 platforms with advanced lower receivers and ambidextrous controls. Focus is on premium builds for enthusiasts seeking superior fit, finish, and performance.

BULLET POINTS

GUN FIGHTS

• No one stepped into the arena this week.

THE AGENCY BRIEF

• Agency Update (Shawn)### Incident Overview: Minneapolis
  * Alex Pretti, a 37-year-old nurse. Minnesota protest against ICE.
  * What we do know is he was in Signal chats tracking ICE movements and likely acting as an observer.
  * It wasn’t just standing between them. Pretti involved himself and injected himself between an ICE agent and another protester. That is the moment he stopped being a legal observer and became a suspect for assault on a federal officer.
  * Mike Brown: The media claiming he was “shot for filming” is the equivalent of saying “Mike Brown was shot for jaywalking.” The initial act is irrelevant.
  * Gun in question: Sig P320 AXG, red dot, two spare mags. Small-of-back holster. (Note: The choice of the P320 is controversial in itself given its history).

  ### The Anatomy of a Split-Second Shoot
  * The Chaos Factor: The environment was absolute bedlam. Whistles blowing, screaming, constant noise—it’s hard to even watch the video because it’s so overwhelming. This is the “leftist act” 101: create maximum chaos to disorient and frazzle the opposition, and then get mad when human beings react poorly to that sensory overload.
  * Unreasonable Expectations: It is unreasonable to expect any human, badge or not, to operate at peak capacity when they are being swarmed and deafened. The disorientation is the point. This is the intended outcome.
  * Quickly: We can frame-by-frame this all day, but on the ground, this decision happened in a single breath. Juries are often instructed to disregard slow motion because it creates a false sense of time. Real-time analysis shows the true speed of the OODA loop.
  * Sequence: Scuffle starts. Gun gets exposed. “Gun!” is yelled. Agent (maybe) removes Pretti’s gun from his holster and moves away from the scrum. Agent in green draws. Less than one second later, shots are fired.
  * Communication Breakdown: Even if the gun was removed, if that wasn’t communicated instantly to the other agents, they are shooting based on the last known fact: “He has a gun.”

  ### Use of Force: The OODA Loop Reality
  * Graham v. Connor: The legal standard is what the officer knew *at the time*, not what we find out later. If they didn’t know he was disarmed, the shoot is legally justified under *Graham*.
  * Processing Lag: The OODA Loop (Observe, Orient, Decide, Act) is real. There is always a lag between your brain seeing a threat and your finger moving.
  * Awful but Lawful: Because the timeline was compressed into milliseconds, an agent could reasonably believe the threat was active.

  ### Tactical Failures
  * Five agents on one guy. It seemed overly chaotic and overall bad tactics.
  * We are stuck relying on shaky cell phone footage because uniformed feds aren’t recording.
  * It is heavily speculated that the 320 went off, which is what drove the shooting. As many times as I’ve watched frame by frame, I can’t confirm that.

  ### The Narrative: Government Lies & “Ridiculous” Takes
  The disconnect between the video and the official story is insulting. They immediately pivoted to extreme hyperbole. Officials are using this to set a precedent that carrying a gun invalidates your First Amendment rights.
  * Gregory Bovino (Border Patrol Commander): “This looks like a situation where an individual wanted to do maximum damage and massacre law enforcement.”
  * Stephen Miller (Deputy White House Chief of Staff): “A would-be assassin tried to murder federal law enforcement…”
  * Kristi Noem (DHS Secretary): Labeled him a “domestic terrorist” and claimed he arrived to “inflict maximum damage.”
  * Kristi Noem (DHS Secretary): “I don’t know of any peaceful protester that shows up with a gun… This is a violent riot when you have someone showing up with weapons…”
  * Kash Patel (FBI Director): “No one who wants to be peaceful shows up at a protest with a firearm that is loaded with two full magazines! That is not a peaceful protest.”
  * All fucking lies. This is a terrible anti-2A take. Plenty of us carry at protests and everywhere fucking else. If we let them normalize this “guns = riot” talk, they will use it to disarm us next.

  ### Anti-2A Rhetoric
  * Suddenly, anti-gun groups like Brady United are defending a “legal gun owner” just to attack the police. They don’t care about Pretti; they just hate the Trump and ICE more than they hate guns right now.

  ### 2A Absolutism
  * This is the moment that separates the 2A tourists from the absolutists. It’s easy to defend your friends. The test is defending your enemies. American citizens, as long as they have not been legally disqualified, should have the right to carry a firearm. The second amendment is clear.
  * If you believe in the Second Amendment, you have to believe it applies to everyone, even the anti-ICE radical leftist, mentally ill, TDS guy you disagree with.
  * Fucking hypocrites, you don’t believe in rights; you believe in privileges. Dangerous freedom isn’t just a quote, it’s a fucking fundamental idea.

  ### The Burden of Carry & Rittenhouse
  * I’m not sad he’s gone, and frankly, this is a classic case of FAFO. He didn’t deserve to die though.
  * The Rule: “Don’t do stupid shit while armed.” Pretti failed.
  * If you draw the attention of law enforcement while armed, you better chill the fuck out. However, as the Daniel Shaver case proved, even full compliance doesn’t guarantee survival. That cop was acquitted btw.
  * This is Kyle Rittenhouse all over again. A guy took a gun to a volatile counter-protest and it went sideways. Watch the hypocrisy, people who hate Rittenhouse are defending Pretti, and vice versa. You can’t have it both ways.

  ### The “Jackboot” Reality Check
  * You can support the mission (border security) and still recognize that the agents are often the jackbooted thugs who will stomp on your neck if ordered.
  * Don’t forget COVID. Don’t forget Ashli Babbitt on J6. When the chips fall, law enforcement will follow orders, not necessarily the Constitution.
  * The Cost: There are good cops, sure, but ultimately, blue team will always be their priority.

  ### Is It Worth It?
  * Imagine defending illegal immigrant criminals.
  * The left is mentally ill. This is not about defending illegal immigrants. In fact most of them probably feel the same way as the rest of us. This is about defying Trump because they are all massively inflicted with Trump derangement syndrome.

WLS IS LIFESTYLE

GOING BALLISTIC

• Canada’s Gun Buyback Pilot Collapses in Humiliating Failure (Savage)Canada’s mandatory gun buyback program launched a pilot in September 2023 targeting 1,500 owners of now-prohibited firearms, but only 12 turned in guns by the October 1 deadline, with a total of 53 weapons collected. The program, aimed at confiscating semi-automatic handguns and rifles reclassified as ‘assault-style’ weapons, has been plagued by low participation, logistical issues, and owner resistance. Critics highlight the $1.8 million spent on the pilot yielding negligible results, underscoring the program’s ineffectiveness.
• Dems Push Nationwide Ban on Direct Online Ammo Sales (Savage)Democrats are advancing legislation to prohibit direct-to-consumer online ammunition sales across the United States, requiring all purchases to go through licensed dealers with background checks. The move aims to close loopholes in current federal law that allow ammo to be shipped directly to buyers without checks. This nationwide proposal escalates ongoing debates over gun control measures targeting ammunition access.
• Minnesota AG Flip-Flops: Once Opposed Armed Protesters, Now Pushes Gun Ban (Savage)Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison previously argued against allowing armed protesters at rallies, citing safety concerns in a 2020 court filing amid George Floyd unrest. Now, he’s backing a sweeping assault weapons ban that would disarm law-abiding citizens. This reversal highlights a pattern of selective Second Amendment views tied to political expediency.
• Finneas Eilish Calls for Stripping Americans’ Right to Carry Guns After ICE Shooting (Savage)Music producer Finneas O’Connell, brother of Billie Eilish, advocated for Americans to lose their right to carry guns following a shooting incident involving ICE agents. He expressed this view on social media, arguing that concealed carry rights should be revoked nationwide. The statement has sparked backlash amid ongoing debates over Second Amendment protections.
• DHS Agent Fired Defensive Shots in Minneapolis, Terminated Despite Fearing for His Life (Shawn)A DHS agent in Minneapolis fired shots in self-defense during a confrontation but was subsequently fired from his position. The incident highlights tensions in law enforcement responses to perceived threats. No further details on the outcome of the confrontation or legal proceedings are provided.
• Washington State Bill Targets 3D Printer Makers Over Ghost Gun Fears (Shawn)A proposed Washington state bill would impose strict liability on 3D printer manufacturers and sellers if their products are used to produce unserialized firearms, known as ghost guns. The legislation aims to curb the proliferation of these undetectable weapons by holding printer companies accountable for criminal misuse. Critics argue it represents government overreach into manufacturing unrelated to guns.

REVIEWS

•  by Listener (krista)Show review. Blake c.
  5 stars. If you bring Aaron back, it will be 4 stars.
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• Review: Anonymous Coward from NE (krista)4.99 stars to get that last .01 need more Aaron.
•  by Listener (krista)Shaak&Awe

  Love this new Text option. Not trying to verbally stroke you off Shawn, but damn you do a lot of work. I am very grateful for you and the rest of the cast for doing what you all do and continue to do for as long as you have.(Aaron is Questionable) Didn’t really have a question. Just wanted to use this feature so I’ll throw some bullshit in here. How much wood wood A Jeremy Cunt chuck if a Jeremy Cunt could chuck wood.?