isu 9 recoil and design notes
| Discussion | Episodes and transcripts |
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| recoil impulse and blowback comparison | |
| folding lower and mitigation-buffer design | |
| bolt and extractor durability discussion |
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We Like Shooting 677 – Two Guys Once Face (2026-08-25) · Double Tap 480 – Good Deer (2026-09-22)
recoil impulse and blowback comparison
“Right. I don't have a good light in here, but yeah, I've got one in the if I can get this bad boy out of here. I've got to find a way. One moment, please. that's the so that's the recoil mitigation buffer that's in the uh the foldy boy lowers the nine millimeter pcc lowers that we have yeah this one is for a 556 so it's uh a unique it's tiny little thing yeah i'm gonna need a screwdriver um one moment yep so yeah while he does that when when jeremy like you've noticed shooting your isu like just that the recoil impulse is like it's hard to explain like and i'm not saying like nine millimeter recoil is a lot or anything it's just like a different impulse no because in ars are pretty violent in general with direct blowback carving you have a lot of mass that has to get moved around because you need that much mass and spring tension because there's no locking mechanism with the the bleed off system whatever you want to call it that the isu 9 is which i can say that now because it's all released yeah yeah um uh the bleed off system that they have that drops the pressure thus lowering your need for weight and spring tension or as much as a traditional ar9 an arp um or even in any other pc carbines you know marlin camp guns shit like that you needed a big you know tommy gun fucking four pound goddamn bolt flying back on a fucking spring right it's just a lot of mass to move around yeah they they get chunky man so well yeah and you have to because you need you need equal opposite reaction but so with bleeding off the pressure with the integrally suppressed upper you don't need the mass and the tension that you otherwise would which makes for a smoother it's not really smoother it's just a less weighty impulse you just have less mass flying around i mean my my sten gun is like Like, I mean, my stand gun's a two-pound bolt just bouncing.”
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Right. I don't have a good light in here, but yeah, I've got one in the if I can get this bad boy out of here. I've got to find a way. One moment, please. that's the so that's the recoil mitigation buffer that's in the uh the foldy boy lowers the nine millimeter pcc lowers that we have yeah this one is for a 556 so it's uh a unique it's tiny little thing yeah i'm gonna need a screwdriver um one moment yep so yeah while he does that when when jeremy like you've noticed shooting your isu like just that the recoil impulse is like it's hard to explain like and i'm not saying like nine millimeter recoil is a lot or anything it's just like a different impulse no because in ars are pretty violent in general with direct blowback carving you have a lot of mass that has to get moved around because you need that much mass and spring tension because there's no locking mechanism with the the bleed off system whatever you want to call it that the isu 9 is which i can say that now because it's all released yeah yeah um uh the bleed off system that they have that drops the pressure thus lowering your need for weight and spring tension or as much as a traditional ar9 an arp um or even in any other pc carbines you know marlin camp guns shit like that you needed a big you know tommy gun fucking four pound goddamn bolt flying back on a fucking spring right it's just a lot of mass to move around yeah they they get chunky man so well yeah and you have to because you need you need equal opposite reaction but so with bleeding off the pressure with the integrally suppressed upper you don't need the mass and the tension that you otherwise would which makes for a smoother it's not really smoother it's just a less weighty impulse you just have less mass flying around i mean my my sten gun is like Like, I mean, my stand gun's a two-pound bolt just bouncing.
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“I really can't wait for that. That's going to be great. it changes like changes the the recoil impulse i know that sounds weird i know it's like so hard to justify it just feels different right well i i am pretty sure that we talked about it at some point previously on the show before they were sponsoring everything yep and uh i was a little skeptical you know i was like it it probably helps but i i don't know that it's as good as they claim and a lot of times with a nine millimeter direct blowback ar people are surprised by the recoil impulse um because you got that big old massive bolt slamming back and forth and so the recoil impulse isn't really any lighter than like a 556 that's that's set up nicely yeah and i think there are a lot of 556s or 223s that that shoot more uh nicely you know they're that are smoother and um more pleasant agreed um this thing is awesome it's it's it's very good like when i when i shot the first few rounds through it it was kind of like holy shit and then i had my mp5 there to shoot side by side to compare and um it is a different recoil impulse like it they definitely feel differently but i would say as far as like staying on target and everything um they they are very similar except that the isu fully set up with the foldy boy and everything weighs less than the mp5 yeah so like it's a lighter handier integrally suppressed gun that is cheaper and uh shoots really really nicely it's very pleasant totally agree and uh someone asked last week about 556 that was in stock so i pulled a report today on all the stuff there's uh 16 inch ranch rifles 16 inch uh gen 2 ranch rifles um there's the mic 15 16 inch gen 2 there's another gen 2 16 inch upper there's oh all kinds did you see they seem to have updated their magwell design yeah i i think it looks so much better i do too i do too it looks really nice yeah i think it looks fantastic the just adding that little like slash through there just i don't know it makes it feel uh i don't know it just it looks it looks very good it's some subtle aesthetic changes that they've made that go a long way was that on the nine uh i think they did it on a few things um It's on the new Ranch Rifle Lowers, it looks like.”
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I really can't wait for that. That's going to be great. it changes like changes the the recoil impulse i know that sounds weird i know it's like so hard to justify it just feels different right well i i am pretty sure that we talked about it at some point previously on the show before they were sponsoring everything yep and uh i was a little skeptical you know i was like it it probably helps but i i don't know that it's as good as they claim and a lot of times with a nine millimeter direct blowback ar people are surprised by the recoil impulse um because you got that big old massive bolt slamming back and forth and so the recoil impulse isn't really any lighter than like a 556 that's that's set up nicely yeah and i think there are a lot of 556s or 223s that that shoot more uh nicely you know they're that are smoother and um more pleasant agreed um this thing is awesome it's it's it's very good like when i when i shot the first few rounds through it it was kind of like holy shit and then i had my mp5 there to shoot side by side to compare and um it is a different recoil impulse like it they definitely feel differently but i would say as far as like staying on target and everything um they they are very similar except that the isu fully set up with the foldy boy and everything weighs less than the mp5 yeah so like it's a lighter handier integrally suppressed gun that is cheaper and uh shoots really really nicely it's very pleasant totally agree and uh someone asked last week about 556 that was in stock so i pulled a report today on all the stuff there's uh 16 inch ranch rifles 16 inch uh gen 2 ranch rifles um there's the mic 15 16 inch gen 2 there's another gen 2 16 inch upper there's oh all kinds did you see they seem to have updated their magwell design yeah i i think it looks so much better i do too i do too it looks really nice yeah i think it looks fantastic the just adding that little like slash through there just i don't know it makes it feel uh i don't know it just it looks it looks very good it's some subtle aesthetic changes that they've made that go a long way was that on the nine uh i think they did it on a few things um It's on the new Ranch Rifle Lowers, it looks like.
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folding lower and mitigation-buffer design
“Like, Holy crap. You guys have had a pretty, uh, crazy launch pace. We do, we do have something pretty cool coming out. Um, we do the, you know, we do the foldy boy lower and I know we were, we were talking earlier about polymer uh lowers and for pcc but if you were to look at the folding mechanism on the um on the lower it was always designed to be an engineer to be made out of polymer because the failure mode on an ar is where the buffer tube would thread in and so if you look at the design of that lower you have a thick cross section where the knuckle is um so it's designed to be robust and so we're we've been working on a polymer lower our our foldy boy is about 400 bucks when it's not on sale with an rmb and we've been working on a polymer version which would get it to the street price of about 299 when it's not on sale and my thinking was if you had a polymer lower with a folding adapt you know a patented folding adapter and a we call mitigation buffer that you could drop a super safety in and a inner glist pressed upper you'd be at $7.99.”
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Like, Holy crap. You guys have had a pretty, uh, crazy launch pace. We do, we do have something pretty cool coming out. Um, we do the, you know, we do the foldy boy lower and I know we were, we were talking earlier about polymer uh lowers and for pcc but if you were to look at the folding mechanism on the um on the lower it was always designed to be an engineer to be made out of polymer because the failure mode on an ar is where the buffer tube would thread in and so if you look at the design of that lower you have a thick cross section where the knuckle is um so it's designed to be robust and so we're we've been working on a polymer lower our our foldy boy is about 400 bucks when it's not on sale with an rmb and we've been working on a polymer version which would get it to the street price of about 299 when it's not on sale and my thinking was if you had a polymer lower with a folding adapt you know a patented folding adapter and a we call mitigation buffer that you could drop a super safety in and a inner glist pressed upper you'd be at $7.99.
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“Molds are expensive. This is a really expensive mold as it's hyper complex. We've got that. We're going to be hopefully bringing that to market the next in the near future we're really proud about that um we'll still offer you know people there's a there's a market for bill it lowers people are going to want it um but there's nothing there's nothing that's that would keep that would interfere with that gun functioning and performing reliably and lasting a lifetime where it made out of you know glass filled nylon or carbon fiber you know we're we're working with a company called rochester uh nordon out of rochester and they uh they're kind of really big on cutting edge materials and they've gotten really good at making uh carbon fiber polymers that are that are stronger than glass filled nylon uh and lighter so we're kind of exploring a partnership on that and and doing hopefully gonna bring that to market something that's stronger than you know glass filled nylon is good um so we're excited about that um stuff takes time it's slow slow burn man yeah all of this stuff is it just takes time and capital and we uh yeah we're we're selling old equipment getting new equipment and that's a whole thing too it's just a very uh very cumbersome slow process you know yeah you're doing it well man like i know that it's a lot of balls to keep juggling in the air but at the same time to keep coming out with new cool interesting and affordable stuff is quite the accomplishment thanks man we're we're proud we're proud of that that that 556 recall medical Requel mitigation buffer will be popular because it's probably going to be cheaper than an H3 buffer, right?”
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Molds are expensive. This is a really expensive mold as it's hyper complex. We've got that. We're going to be hopefully bringing that to market the next in the near future we're really proud about that um we'll still offer you know people there's a there's a market for bill it lowers people are going to want it um but there's nothing there's nothing that's that would keep that would interfere with that gun functioning and performing reliably and lasting a lifetime where it made out of you know glass filled nylon or carbon fiber you know we're we're working with a company called rochester uh nordon out of rochester and they uh they're kind of really big on cutting edge materials and they've gotten really good at making uh carbon fiber polymers that are that are stronger than glass filled nylon uh and lighter so we're kind of exploring a partnership on that and and doing hopefully gonna bring that to market something that's stronger than you know glass filled nylon is good um so we're excited about that um stuff takes time it's slow slow burn man yeah all of this stuff is it just takes time and capital and we uh yeah we're we're selling old equipment getting new equipment and that's a whole thing too it's just a very uh very cumbersome slow process you know yeah you're doing it well man like i know that it's a lot of balls to keep juggling in the air but at the same time to keep coming out with new cool interesting and affordable stuff is quite the accomplishment thanks man we're we're proud we're proud of that that that 556 recall medical Requel mitigation buffer will be popular because it's probably going to be cheaper than an H3 buffer, right?
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- We Like Shooting 677 – Two Guys Once Face — source turn 36 at 02:19:53 · Cite this passage (turn 36)
- We Like Shooting 677 – Two Guys Once Face — source turn 37 at 02:19:55 · Cite this passage (turn 37)
bolt and extractor durability discussion
“Under high use. And what's trying, what the extractor is trying to do is it's trying to, if it has egress, the head of the extractor will want to rotate and break the claw off, which is one failure mode you see. So we overcame that in the high carb project with a rivet and the barrel extension. And the other place you see breakage is on the lug of the bolt, which we overcame with the design of the bolt.”
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Under high use. And what's trying, what the extractor is trying to do is it's trying to, if it has egress, the head of the extractor will want to rotate and break the claw off, which is one failure mode you see. So we overcame that in the high carb project with a rivet and the barrel extension. And the other place you see breakage is on the lug of the bolt, which we overcame with the design of the bolt.
- We Like Shooting 677 – Two Guys Once Face — source turn 1 at 00:29:59 · Cite this passage (turn 1)
- We Like Shooting 677 – Two Guys Once Face — source turn 2 at 00:30:10 · Cite this passage (turn 2)
- We Like Shooting 677 – Two Guys Once Face — source turn 3 at 00:30:11 · Cite this passage (turn 3)
- We Like Shooting 677 – Two Guys Once Face — source turn 4 at 00:30:15 · Cite this passage (turn 4)
- We Like Shooting 677 – Two Guys Once Face — source turn 5 at 00:30:15 · Cite this passage (turn 5)
Source episodes and scope
This guide synthesizes the linked conversations. Opinions and reported experiences remain attributed to those episodes; quoted transcript text may contain transcription errors. Dates below identify the original discussions.
- We Like Shooting 677 – Two Guys Once Face (2026-08-25) · Full transcript
- Double Tap 480 – Good Deer (2026-09-22) · Full transcript