Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Keep listening for a discount.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Don't
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): wait for an emergency to find out you're unprepared. Civilian Medical One teaches everyday people how to respond to serious injuries with confidence. Train online at civmedical.com. That's c-i-v-medical dot com. Use code FRN for a discount.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): This
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): episode of Double Tap is brought to you by Foxy Mike, Gideon's Optics, Nighty Night Vision, Bowers Group.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): need to come up with a good one for Bowers Group. Sexy Tom Bowers Group. And second call defense.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Okay.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): He
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): got me so off my game that I didn't even have the stuff ready to click.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Do you want me to do it again? No.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Welcome to Double Tap, episode 486. Tonight, the whole time you did that, I was actually trying to think. I was like, did he just put me in breach of contract? I'm like... Probably, but you know what? Worth it. Anyway.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Foxtrot Mike. You said Foxy Mike.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): did.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Hold on. I'm going to write that down because I think that's pretty good. That guy's speaking in the beginning there. His name is Foxy Nick. And he runs and he is the proprietor and the owner and the inventor behind and the janitor and the production supervisor of a place called Bus Built Systems.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): You
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): can find their website at busbuildsystems.com, by the way. We'll have a wizard named Jeremy Pazderick, and he's from Rivers Edge Tactical in Valley City, Ohio.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Now,
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): my name
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): is
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Shawn Herrin, and that's all you get to know about me. But I'm here. I'm happy. Nick, how was your Halloween?
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Pretty lame. How was yours?
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): It's
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): pretty tight.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Cool.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Yeah.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): What'd you do?
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Nothing to do with Halloween, but
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): our
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): buddies were in town, and so we went and shot all day, and then I'll talk about that in the next show. Went and shot all day and then came back to the shop and ended up hanging out here for a while and then
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): eventually
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): went to bed.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Yeah.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): So
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): it was not Halloween related at all, but, you know, it was a fine day.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Yeah.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I spent like, you know this because I've been complaining about it. I did one of the toughest 3D prints that I've done in a very long time. Not that it should have been that tough. It was just. Basically everything that could go wrong did go wrong. And
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): printed for like three days and burned up about $40 worth of filament.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): And
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): then
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): with
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): about eight hours left,
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): one
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): of the main supports got knocked over. And the whole print
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): was
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): ruined.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): That is the worst.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Yep.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): was printing a really badass Magneto helmet.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): What'd
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): you end up doing?
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I'm staying home because I was sick anyway.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): You're
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): like, this was fortuitous.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Yep.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): That's great. I saw Captain Doogie in the chat said, heard Camerado was picking on Johnny B. Good job.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): And
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): then someone said, what did he miss? Oh, I know what it was. I posted a picture of tactical considerations wearing a Camerado hooded sun shirt and sun spear.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): And
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): I was like, hey, does anyone know who this is? I see he's wearing some Camerato. I'd just like to check out his channel.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): And
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): then Johnny B commented, glad to see.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): There's
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): something about like, glad to see that you're supporting diverse channels. And I commented back, well, I've been supporting your channel for years. So yes,
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): it
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): was a pretty good burn.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): That's
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): cool. I like Johnny B. Tactical Toolbox is great.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Yeah, 100%. Yeah. Polymer 80 builds he did in the past.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Yeah.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Yeah. 100%. I agree. It's awesome. Oh, apparently Johnny B brought it up in his video today.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): That's great.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): love that guy. He's hilarious.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Really
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): good
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): dude.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Anyway, what were we talking about? Oh, yeah, your fucking Magneto helmet. That sucks.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Yeah. Yeah. And then a couple hours later.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Because
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I was homesick anyway. spent a bunch of time just scrolling through the,
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): what
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): is it, Maker World,
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): looking
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): at models. And there's a thing in there that is emergency supports.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): And
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): it prints as little segmented blocks that you can stick in there and snap off to whatever height you need.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): What?
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Yeah.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Yeah.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): So
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I should have immediately printed some of those, but I didn't. But I need to print some to try out in the future.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Yeah, for sure. I presume you didn't even know those existed.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): did not.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Yeah. I didn't know those existed, but that's really cool.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Yeah. Well,
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): while we're waiting for Jeremy, let's go ahead and get into the show.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Okay. Well, first up, Foxtrot Mike still pushing their ISU9. I know that they are in and out of stock constantly. They've been selling out pretty much as soon as they post them. ISU9.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): You
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): know what? Type out in the chat what the ISU9 is.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Because
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): we've been saying it a lot. We've been saying it a lot lately.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): So
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): I'm going to see what the live viewers actually have to say about it. Now, in the meantime, Foxtrot Mike really doing some awesome innovation, especially in the AR space.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Went
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): shooting this weekend, took a ranch rifle. And just absolutely had a freaking blast with it.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): That
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): is one of my favorite rifles. I really like it. I think that they're fantastic. They are cool. They are different. While still, you know,
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): they're
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): different enough without being so different that you can't even figure out what's going on. Which is pretty cool.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): You
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): know, because it's an AR. takes AR mags. The trigger is a little bit different, but just still really enjoyable.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): 500 bucks for the entire thing, including the suppressor. No tax stamp. And a lot of states are just doing them on 4473s. That's the thing that's out there. Go check them out at fm-products.com and use coupon code WLS's life to save some money. Renfire Radio says Integrally Suppressed AR9. Captain Doogie says Integrally Suppressed Bang Bang Upper, of course. C-O-A-R-S-E. Captain Doogie says I want one in 300 Blackout. Renfire says that would be sweet in 300
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Blackout. Matt says, my next, my vexed purchase after I finish this build.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Dirty says, a Leo Pluridon.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): don't know what that is.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): don't know what that is at all.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Institute of Sonoran Unemployment.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Damn. Yeesh.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): It's
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): from the Gat Lab.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Filthy. Okay. Anyway, fm-products.com. Coupon code WLS's life saves you money.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): This
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): is Dear WLS. Send in your questions, get some answers. You can either go to WeLikeShooting.com slash dashboard, click on Dear WLS, or just text your name and question to 743-500-2171. Nick, why don't you start us off?
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Okay. Carl F. says, Hey guys, a bit of a random question, but I'm curious. What is everyone's favorite video game character? Keep up the great podcast, Carl.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): And
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): he says, This is a quote from Carl. Hashtag make politicians afraid again.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): MPAA.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Fuck.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): My favorite video game character?
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Arthur.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Arthur
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Morgan.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Arthur Morgan from Red Dead Redemption.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): But
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): then again, I got to say my character now because
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): in
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Cyberpunk 2077, it's like,
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): guess you can play as a man or a woman. Does that even count as a character? You're still V, right?
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Yeah,
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): but like you...
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): You
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): make different
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): choices.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Yeah, you really change the character.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Yeah.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): would say the companion cube from Portal 1.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Oh, there you go.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Very nice.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Maybe the main character in Valhalla.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Yeah.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Assassin's Creed Valhalla. But yeah, Arthur Morgan or the Valhalla guy.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Arthur Morgan's pretty good.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Or
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Geralt
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): of Rivia.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Yeah, Geralt's pretty awesome.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): swear to God, I don't know how to pronounce his name. I say it differently all the time. An angel corrects me like every single time. She's like, why'd you say it like that? I'm like, I don't know. forgot. Geralt. Geralt of Rivia.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Yeah,
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): it's Geralt.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Yeah,
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I just said that. Yeah, Geralt. He's pretty cool. Kratos and the new God of War games. Yeah. Pretty, pretty cool. Those are, uh, his son is really annoying.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): I was just going to say his fucking kid sure isn't my favorite.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Yeah. But,
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh, yeah, they did a really good job of him being like the,
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh, I
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): don't know, grizzled, tired old dad.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Yeah,
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): I agree. Or,
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah,
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Geralt, maybe. Geralt?
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Geralt.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Geralt. Fuck.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): It's,
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): it's a fucking weird one.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): It is.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): don't know how to say it, clearly.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): And
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Super Mario.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Yeah,
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Super Mario is pretty cool.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Not
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): regular Mario. He's lame.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): No, he's stupid.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Mario.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Yeah.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Specifically the red and white Super Mario with the fire.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Yes. One of my favorites.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I'm
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): going to ask Jeremy to stop
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): masturbating.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Man,
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): there's a lot of good ones.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Yeah. Yeah, there is. Actually, Johnny Silverhands.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): He's
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): one of
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): my
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): favorites.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Yeah.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Just like a broken down rock star
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): that
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): somehow gets involved in being a rebel.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): An
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): agitator, if you will.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): This
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): is a Tyler question because she remembers. I'm just like, what video games have I played?
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Dude, I know.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Tyler would be in here like, do you have an hour?
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): You
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): know, here's the funny part is every game that I just said is just the most recent games that I've played. Because that's pretty much all that's left in my memory.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Oh,
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): yeah. I don't know. Good question, Carl. Next up, we got a question from Aussie John.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): That
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): is his first and last name. Aussie John. Look him up.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Can you recommend a holster for an IWB Canik Mete MC9?
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): No.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): That
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): was going to be my answer, too.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Bugs Bunny. No.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): When I get one,
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): when
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I find one, And get it ordered. I will.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): will let you know.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Okay. Actually, hold on. I got something for this, but I got to step away for a second. So Nick, entertain the people.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Okay.
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): He's showing his wiener.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Okay. Now watch this. Watch this, Jeremy. I'm going to do some tricks. Narrate the tricks. Okay. Okay.
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): He somehow got the beans above the Frank.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): And
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): now he's swinging his balls around, not his penis. I
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): was
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): not even here. Watch this. I can tie it in a knot like a cherry stem.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Wow,
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): that looks painful. It's very painful.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): I grabbed the wrong gun.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): I just looked down and I was like, wait a minute. This is not the right gun. Well, this is a Rost Martin in a 3D. And a not put together 3D printed Glock holster from Oxarc.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Look
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): how nice that is.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Cool. Do they have one for the Canik Mete MC9?
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Well,
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): it's funny you mention that. I don't know. No, not that I'm aware of. Fuck.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Let's see. This is printed in Pet G.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I'm
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): trying to think.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): What
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): happened to your Pet G?
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Oh,
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): you know.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Hold
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): on. Let me go to...
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): C and G.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Because
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): I think they make mechanic holsters.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): think they do, but I don't know if they have one
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): for
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): that. I think they have like the bigger ones.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Shot by Gun Model. Which gun is he asking about?
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): The Mete 9
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): or
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): MC9 Mete. So it's the same size as the Prime Radeon, I think.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Yeah.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I don't know. Their names are
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): hard
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): to follow for me. Their product lines.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Yeah.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): mean, so they have several different,
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): they've
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): got the TP9 Elite subcompact for 3.6 inch. They've got a 4.1 inch, excuse me, a 4.5 inch and then a 5.25 inch. And you could reach out to CNG holsters and find out if they do in fact have one that will fit that because I bet some of those will.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): need to, yeah, I need to get some, I need to get some holsters
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): to
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): fit some Canix, I guess,
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): from
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): CNG.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): So
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): I'll take a look at that
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): because
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): I bet they do. And I do have the one he's talking about.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): So
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): I might just order like the 4.5 or something
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): then
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): see
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): if it fits all the different models that I have. But you can reach out to C&G Holsters. Go to C-A-N-D-G Holsters dot com
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): see if it will fit that. I bet they do have an answer for you. And if you do decide to order there, obviously use coupon code WLS is life and that'll save you some money. But yeah, I just I don't I haven't carried any Canix.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): So,
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): I don't know.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): What's up, Jeremy?
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): Oh, you know, not much. Just we like farming.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): We like farming. Dude.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): planted 315 garlic today. Holy shit. What is the plural?
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Don't
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): you mean garlic?
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): Garlics is. Yeah, we got
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): 300.
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): I could have planted probably another.
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): I had the room. I probably could have planned it another 90 or so.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Jeez.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): So like 400?
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): Yeah, I could have. I thought, I built these little planks. So garlic's got to be like six to eight inches, but a lot of people just do six for, you know, whatever. Yeah. So I took two by eights and I ripped them down to six inches, exactly six inches, and then three inches on center of the board. I did two of those. And then every six inches, I put a dowel rod. I put a two and a half, three inch dowel rod. Out of the board, you know, eat up an inch and a half for the board. So they were like, you know, four and a half inches
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): long or something. Yeah. And then glued them in there. And then I got a five foot wide bed
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): then I'd lay a board in there, pound it down with a rubber mallet, put the other one like leapfrog, pound it down, then leapfrog one over top of it and you get perfect six inch spacing all the way down.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): That's handy.
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): And then we just did that. And then you have to rip the garlic cloves apart and put them in the holes. And the holes are to depth. And
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah,
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): did 315 garlic. Dude, that's awesome. And you're going to have so much garlic. It's going to be great.
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): I don't know if you know this. You can make your own garlic powder.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): assume that you just
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): dry
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): out the garlic
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): and then
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): crush
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): it. You mince garlic, dehydrate it, and then you put it in a
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): blender
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): and powder it.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Did
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): you know you can make your own Nick powder?
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): By
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): drying
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): out
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): Nick.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): You
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): mince
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): me
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): and then dry me out. Just don't ask why we know the human body is 70% water.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Yeah, Nick's like I processed like one Nick and I only got like a pound of Nick powder.
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): Well, that's because you got skinny Nick. If you got
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): fat Nick.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Oh, bro. That would have been enough Nick powder for seven years.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Then
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you could have had Nick tallow.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Now
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): you're talking. Now I'm curious.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Because,
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): yeah, that sounds pretty good. I did that. Fake Dusky. Someone, he may have changed his name because now it says Dusky R-R-S-2-A.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): don't know what that means. But anyway, he said a $1 rumble rant and it says for Nick's wiener. Followed quickly by Rimfire Radio with a $2 rumble rant and it says for Shawn's wiener.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Now. Oh, is that what the Shawn's is twice as valuable as Nick's is? Yeah. I was like, I think I'm missing something. Yeah.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Oh, Rimfire Radio Show.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): That
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): makes sense. Dusky RRS 2A.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): By
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): the way, Rimfire Radio Show is a podcast on the Firearms Radio Network, firearmsradio.net. You can check them out.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): They
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): are live
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): on
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): one day a week.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Isn't RRS really right stuff?
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Probably. Shit. Yeah, really right. Dusky, really right stuff 2A.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): He
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): must have got a tripod and now he's basing his whole personality around it.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Apparently. Fucking tripod, guys.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Jeremy, next question.
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): I don't know what the first question was.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): You're on question from Rob.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Robbo.
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): Question from Rob. I have almost no experience with suppressors because everywhere I've ever done a shooting requires everyone to wear hearing protection. What does the WLS crew think about suppressors with compensators or compensator end caps? My knowledge of the devices say that the two things should not work well together for a couple reasons.
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): I don't see the point of them. I don't think they do much.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): bet they do.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): And
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): here's
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): why.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): haven't.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Okay,
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): sorry.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): No, go ahead.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): No,
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): no.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): After you. Okay, well, I bet they do, and here's why. Because I have some of the KGM, the KG made, suppressors, and
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): don't have one handy here, but... What they have is like some ports around the front. Now on like the KGM R556, it's just got like evenly spaced holes around the tip near the end cap. And it shoots really flat overall, really nicely. However, the R6.5, which is their 6.5 can, obviously, it has the exact same evenly spaced holes around the outer cap, maybe. I don't know how many
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): there is, but let's just imagine there's like 12 or something like that. Except on the 6.5, you can actually thread in little grub screws to completely and perfectly dial in and counteract your recoil, your recoil rise. And so I did that, and it works really extremely well.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): So
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): if you have a compensator at the
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): end
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): of the suppressor, I would imagine that it works the same way. The gas comes out probably a lot slower than it would come out of the bore. But ultimately, like Newton's Law, right? Equal and opposite reaction.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): So
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): what do you think about that, Nick?
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I was just going to say I don't have a whole lot of experience with
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): the
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): muzzle brake in cams. I have shot a couple of... The head suppressors on them had those, but I didn't shoot it like with and without to compare or anything.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Yeah.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): However,
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): do know a couple of guys that run those and use them for competition stuff. And they are big believers. And a couple of them have like bought those separately and put them on and have claimed that there's a decent difference.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): My
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): whole thing is a compensator uses the gas being expelled behind the bullet to. Lower muzzle rise, right? That's the point of a compensator. Yes. Right? A brake is to reduce recoil. A compensator is to reduce muzzle rise. You can have a brake combo. But the third point of a suppressor is to slow down the expanding gases to lessen the report of the rifle. So now you've slowed those gases down
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): and you are now expelling them out of the front of the can after some expansion and slowing down, thus taking away from the efficacy of
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): the
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): muzzle brake or muzzle compensator that is then on the end of the suppressor.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Yeah,
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): I guess I was thinking of that as you were talking. was like, yeah, you know, at the time it comes out of there and actually engages with the compensator, like it might be.
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): It might just be the fact that, especially with a traditional baffle stack, it's acting somewhat like a brake where the gases are slamming into those baffles and pulling it forward like a brake would, but without the expulsion to the side and the extra noise. And the compensator on the end isn't actually doing anything. It's just... The suppressor and the added weight and length of the suppressor
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): could
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): be doing more than what the compensator on the end of the can is actually doing. Again, this would take a lot of testing, but in my brain, it's like, I don't know how much it's actually going to do because of all these reasons.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): think it would definitely be less effective than a break directly on the muzzle.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Yeah.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): But
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I think that there could still be
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): enough
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): velocity in the gas
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): or
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): gas velocity.
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): I definitely noticed my 45-70 has less recoil with my dreadnought on it than it does without my dreadnought on it.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Oh, yeah, for sure.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): But
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): there's no comp or breaker. It's just the suppressor.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): And
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): whether that is the baffles acting like a break, whether that is the added weight and length, whatever that mechanism is, I could not tell you from a scientific standpoint. But in my mind,
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): You
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): know, thinking about how the gas moves through a suppressor and engaging those baffles, in theory, would act like a
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): brake,
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): right? Except it's just not expelling it to the sides. It's a less effective version of it, but it's going to do something.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Yeah,
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): I don't know. I don't know. I honestly don't know. But in my head, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): And I
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): also want to say that the... The guys that I know that are running them, like I almost exclusively see it on stuff that's meant for precision stuff.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): And
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): those guys are like running 25 pound rifles and they're dialed into like, you know, 23 power on their optic or whatever. And so like any slight movement
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): after
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): like in the recoil. You're to notice.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): think it would make less sense on like an AR carbine or something
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): where
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you're
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): probably
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): not doing
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): real
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): precision stuff
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): from
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): a super stable platform.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Yeah,
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): like a 25-pound rifle like I would take hunting.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Yeah,
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): exactly.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Fucking climbing up a mountain with a goddamn bag of bricks on my back. I wish Robbie would have elaborated further on. His last sentence, my knowledge of the devices, say that the two things should not work well together for a couple reasons.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I assume
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): he's thinking the same thing that
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Jeremy
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): said.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Now, I wasn't listening to what Jeremy said, but
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): was
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): it basically...
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): should.
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): I'm usually pretty smart.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Oh, yeah. No, 100%. I just had other things going on. I had to cut a splinter out of my finger with my knife.
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): I had to get a new knife. I lost my favorite knife.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): What?
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): Yeah,
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): that's
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): devastating. For like 15 years, it was like the width of the blade was like three quarters of what it used to be because I had sharpened it so much. Like there was a noticeable difference between the blade and the front of the blade. Like it used to be straight and it wasn't anymore. And I lost it somewhere. I hope I find it.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): It's
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): an analogy for your life.
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): Right. And the bad part is SOG doesn't make that knife anymore. So I had to buy like the new version of that knife. That sucks.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): don't like it as much.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I'm
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): kind of a fan of this knife that I've been carrying. I don't know what it is. It's a scallywag tactical.
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): And I kind of like it. Never heard of it.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): You
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): can tell that it's very like used. Let me see. Nice. Because it's filthy.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): And
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): I, dude, there's like so much gunk on this blade. I don't think you're going to be able to see it.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): But
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): there's a lot of gunk on it. And then I still use it to cut my food.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): So
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): that's just basically my plan to develop my immune system into something of a god.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): A-Gator,
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): 88.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): This is my favorite knife that I've been carrying.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Well,
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): if you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge a gun.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): That's
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): right. A-Gator, 88. Sent a $5 rumble rant. Says, talk needy to me, big boy.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Okay.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): No, that is not the original poop knife. The poop knife was not mine. That was Dr. Scary Guys. I was just the only man brave enough to get it for him.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): And
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): my hand is still not clean. Anyway, yeah. Hopefully that helps, Rob A.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Nick,
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): next question's yours.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Oh, okay. This one is from Anonymous Coward from Florida.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): He
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): says, good day to you hog riders.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I'm
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): torn between the Ross Martin RM1F and the full-size echelon.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): have the RM1C and I love it, but I figured I'd ask the pros since you guys own both or maybe it's just Shawn. Thanks again. Keep kicking ass.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Man,
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): it's a really hard fucking choice. Let me look something up real quick.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): mean, the RM1F, I imagine you could use those mags in the RM1C,
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): presumably. Yes.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): If you have like open bottom holsters, you'd be able to swap those back and forth.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Yes.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I assume it might be a little cheaper
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): than
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): the Echelon. I don't know what the Echelon's priced at.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): will tell you because I'm looking up the current price right now. The
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Echelons
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): are like $650. I
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): think
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): a little more for the full size. That's what I wanted to double check. Except apparently,
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): how
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): the fuck do you look it up on their website?
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): And
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): if you have an RM1C, then you know what to expect from the RM1F. It's a good gun. It's going to be more or less the same. A little more grip and a little more
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): barrel
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and slide length. The Echelon's cool. The Echelon is an awesome gun, too. It's got the removable fire control group thing. So if you want to throw it in a chassis or something, then that's really awesome.
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): Oh, yeah. And the Echelon, they're going to sell the fire control groups.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Oh,
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah. Yeah, they're doing
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): that.
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): For like $2.99.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Yeah, they actually do. It's one of my stories today.
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): And I just pulled up RSR because I wanted to look at Echelon. So besides Mischief Machines chassis frame for the echelon, which is fucking fantastic.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Yeah,
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): one of my faves. The Sharps, was it Sharps Brothers? Yeah. They have a grip that almost looks like a, remember the old Sphinx?
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Uh-huh.
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): It kind of almost, let me share my screen real quick. The Sphinx SDP. Let me put this in retail view. I don't know if I could get in trouble for actually showing that.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Oh yeah.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): We
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): are waiting
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): for Jeremy
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): to
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): figure out his computer.
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): I
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): don't
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): know what I want to do. Stop. Go back. Are they also
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): selling
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): slides and stuff?
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): Okay, here we are. Now we're in the right.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): It's
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): not shared, though.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): know. I'm getting there. Okay. There we go.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): The Echelon Koa, by the way.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): This is
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): a sharp. Sharps Brothers one. Hold up. It kind of reminds me of the old Sphinx
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): a
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): little bit. Yeah, it kind of does. That looks pretty sweet. Looks like it's an alloy, aluminum alloy.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Yeah.
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): But then it's fine. And then this is all MSRP. okay.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): It's like,
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): oh, God. Jeremy's getting fired. This is for my own chat. This is a Strike Doo-Wop. Yeah.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): That's
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): kind of
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): cool.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): I've talked about these a couple weeks in a row, actually.
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): Yeah. Magazines, magazines. There's another Sharps in black. Here's some triggers. MSRP on the 4-inch is $5.99.
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): Do some holsters. Oh, here's Icarus
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): doing
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): Icarus Precision, making a chassis. There's some holsters. There's a four and a half 20 round Koa.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Damn.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Right. So the Koa, yeah, 1119 MSRP. That comes with the optic though. And so like
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): a
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): 4
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): .5
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): full size non-compt is 710 MSRP.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): So
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): to get back to the question real quick, like which one?
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Dude,
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): it's like, I don't know what the answer is. Because here I have the full size with the comp and the threaded barrel. And
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): just freaking love it. And the magazines are cheaper. So I'm going to say that it all comes down to cost. Because I would say that I like the Echelon and the RM1F full size. I would say that I like them equally.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): I
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): wish I had an RM1F to compare it to.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): You
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): know, he's going to be on the show soon.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Fucking corner and when he's on the show. But yeah, like, so here's my thoughts. I would say that I like them equally and I like them
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): for
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): different reasons. So the RM1F is a little bit thinner, whereas, oh shit, I have my echelon right here.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): So
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): the
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): RM1F is thinner overall. So what I'm showing to the screen is. A pretty drastic difference in the width of the top of the slide between the Echelon and the RM1F. So
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): that
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): matters if you have, you know, like average hands or something. I don't have any problem gripping the standard Echelon. But I got to say that the RM1F is a little bit like nicer in my hand overall. And, you know, like I have average size dude hands.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): The Echelon has... The cassette style fire control unit. Or what do they call that? The cog?
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Yeah.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Yes.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): The cog. And so that's a really good thing, in my opinion. You can get,
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): like
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Jeremy said, aftermarket chassis or frames.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): And
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): for the Echelon, I think that's a nice thing. Because of that drop in FCU.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): would say the trigger
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): feels... Do
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): them side by side.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): I think that the Ross Martin's a little bit
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): clickier,
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): so a little bit more tactile. Now,
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): the
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Echelon, they're going to sell the COG,
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): which
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): is the drop-in fire control unit, for a few hundred bucks. That's pretty cool. They have a pretty robust aftermarket. They've got comped versions. Like, I think this is a really good comparison of two guns who have a lot of very similar things. But then on top of that, I think Echelon takes the edge in optic mounting because they have the vis, the, what is it? Something interface system, visual interface
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): system. And that just means that you can basically have no plates, whereas the Ross Martin does require plates. So I'd say that's a bump in the Echelon direction. Echelon is 710 MSRP, whereas this RM1F is like 439. So I think that you get more gun
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): with
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): the Ross Martin for, God, like
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): just
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): under $300 less. I will also say that the RM1F, you can go to their website and use coupon code WLS's life and get threaded barrels, magazines. For like 30% off. So a magazine for the Ross Martin is going to be like 20 bucks. A magazine for the Echelon, quite a bit more than that. I think they're 36 or 37 bucks, something like that. And
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah,
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): that's just a, it's a really hard choice. So if you have all the money
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): you're like not trying to cut costs or anything like that,
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): mean, I, I think the Echelon is fantastic also. It weighs considerably more than the Ross Martin. So take that into your consideration. But I fucking love the Echelon. It's one of my favorite guns. I also love the RM1F. It's also one of my favorite guns. But because of cost and ability to buy extra mags for a very inexpensive price, like that may push you towards the RM1F. But like it's an impossible choice, I think. Nick, if you had to pick, what would you pick?
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): And
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): why?
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Honestly, between those, I think I would buy the Echelon because I have an interest in the
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): pistol
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): chassis stuff.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): And
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): the removable fire control group just opens you up to a lot of possibilities with the Echelon.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Yeah, I agree. Jeremy, what would you pick?
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): don't know because I don't have an RM1F.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): You do have a Ross Martin though, right?
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): have a C. I'm going to pick the full-size echelon over a compact because fucking.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): So just imagine. I burnt my fucking hand, though.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Ow. Jesus.
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): Ether's a bitch. And I have no hair on the back of my hand like to hear.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Nice.
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): Like it's baby smooth. were putting a tire came off the rim and we were blowing it back on. And I didn't have a stick. And I looked at my buddy's kid who was standing there. And I'm like, if you ever do this, make sure you get a stick and don't just stick a lighter to a lighter up to it. Now watch it while I take a lighter and stick it up to
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): it.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): And you're like, and let that be a lesson to you to
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): never do. like, ah, fuck. That's why you don't do that. I was like, I was in a hurry.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): You're like, help me, Tom Cruise.
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): I guess why we don't do that. My hand hurts.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Oh, and then colors too on these two guns. Like you can do ODG, Desert Tan, Black. So they both have the colors. I think you can do a gray.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): There's
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): a lot more aftermarket support for the Echelon. Yeah, overall. I agree. Triggers, chassis, know. Holsters
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): for damn
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): sure. Holsters, sights, you know. And then the Springfield. Or HS product site system is fucking fantastic. It really is. It's not that I don't like Ross Martin. I do, but.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): No, I totally agree. So I
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): would
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): say. Ross
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Martin's like 200 bucks cheaper too. Right. And magazines are 20 bucks.
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): Right. So like, there's something to be said about that. Like, I don't know. I kind of have both.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Yeah.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): agree.
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): Can I say both? I want both.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): totally agree, man. That's, yeah, I don't know.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Yeah, hopefully we gave you a couple things to think about. I know we didn't really give you an answer, but hopefully you have a couple different things to think about. And I'll be honest, I like the RM1F more than the RM1C. It's just, you know, I like full-size guns better.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): But
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): I'm a big fan of the echelon. If you, like, if you asked me most guns, like, would I rather have the RM1F or a Kinnick? Prime Radian, the RM1F. Easy.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Not
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): even a choice. If you asked me about that or like Duria Arms or
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): mean just most other guns. Like you just happened to ask to compare it against one of my favorite guns. So it's going to win probably 75% of those other battles for me.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Let's see. Question from Anonymous Coward from Washington.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): We'll
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): be right after. This commercial break from Gideon Optics.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): So Gideon, Optics, Nick, tell me a couple things that you know about them.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): They're named after Gideon.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Who's Gideon? He was a pretty
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): cool
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): guy. He gets talked about a lot
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): in
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): music by Behold Steady. He has kind of an unfortunate life that they talk about a little bit.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): But
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah, Gideon's a pretty cool dude.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): And
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): he started an optic company, well, inspired the start of the optic company
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): in
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): 2017
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): when
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): he said some very profound words to founder Jordan.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): And
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Jordan
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): has refused to say what those words are or elaborate
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): on
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): what made them profound.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): But
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I'm convinced that if enough people ask him,
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): we'll
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): finally get the story out of him.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Okay.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): All right.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): don't think any of that is true.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): But
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): then again, I also don't know everything, so I could be wrong on that.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): It's
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): definitely true. And if you see Jordan at some sort of an event or something, you should ask him about the profound words that Gideon said to him that inspired him to start the company.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Yeah. You should definitely ask him. And if you see Bob, you should definitely ask him.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Because
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): he is actually the records keeper
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): of...
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): You know, the holy word of Gideon.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): And
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): he will be able to tell you. But I do want to say this. What confirmed to be true by multiple sources is that the Pebble 2.0 is available. Is it the Pebble 2 or the Pebble XL?
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): What
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): is that called, actually?
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I think it's the 2. That's the one for the...
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): The
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Bodyguard.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Bodyguard 2.0. Yeah. I just don't want to make things up. So I'm going to double check. The
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Pebble E is what
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): it's
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): called.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): So the Pebble E is out there and it's available right now.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): think that I actually,
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah,
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): the Pebble 2 is in the safe. So I don't have it right here. But I do want to say I really love the Bodyguard 2.0. I think that, you know, modern 380 ammunition is perfectly acceptable.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): In
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): some cases, I'm not saying it's like, you know, the be all end all,
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): but
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): I think that some of the trade-offs that you have with such a small gun
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): are,
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): I mean, it's a great gun. I just really like the Bodyguard 2.0.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): And
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): to be able to have a closed emitter red dot on that, so you can pocket carry,
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): can, you know, appendix carry, you can fanny pack carry, you can prison purse carry, you can really do whatever you want and have a very capable and effective concealed carry gun. With the enclosed emitter red dot, just pretty awesome. So those are like $259.99 on their website with 11% off by using coupon code WLSIsLife. And that's at GideonOptics.com or the new website, TheWordOfGideon.com. Fuck, now I got to register that, don't I?
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Oh
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): man, I hope it's taken and I hope it's something terrible.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Oh God, I bet it is taken, to be fair.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Let
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): me just tell my agent to register it.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Hey,
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): go register. find the server.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): The word of Gideon.com.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): All right.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): I just got to send that. Okay. Boom.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): My
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): agent's doing it right now. And then we'll put up some 100% real quotes on that website.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): But
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Nick is going to tell us specifically. Nick is the prophet of
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): the
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): word of Gideon.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Right,
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Nick?
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Absolutely. Okay. Anyway. I'm going to try to beat you.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Beat
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): your agent.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Ah,
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): you son of a bitch.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Actually, I won't do that because I won't do anything with it. And you might actually. And that would be funnier.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Hold on. I just told my agent to hurry the fuck up.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): $12.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): No. I'm surprised that's not taken.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Country boy guns. Shawn, when are going to have your agent on the show? My agent is a fucking moron and I have to yell at it every single day. So never.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): First
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): of all.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I'm really polite to all the AI that I use. Because I know. I know what's coming.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Oh,
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): yeah. 100%.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): They're to be like,
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I'm
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): going to chat GPT or whatever. He's going to pop up on my phone one day and be like, hey, don't go to school tomorrow.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Dude,
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): that's terrible. By the way, if you need any other kind of optics, whether it's long range scopes, LPVOs, prism,
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): red
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): dots, enclosed, open,
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): whatever it is, Gideon Optics has
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): that
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): as well.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Now,
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): question from Anonymous Coward from Washington.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Clit myth.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): If
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): you were to kill yourself, would you use a firearm? What firearm would you use? I'd use a six-inch Smith & Wesson Model 66 because I'm going to hell. Okay.
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): I would not. I would try to take out as many assholes as I could in knowing one of them is going to get lucky and get me. I would never kill myself. There's too many other people that deserve to die before me, and I'd do my best to kill all of them before one of them got me. Like, I'm not bulletproof. They'll get me. But, like, if I resign to the fact that I don't want to be here anymore, why not kill a bunch of people I don't fucking like?
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): So I would never kill myself? But if I did, of course I would use a fucking gun. They're literally the most effective,
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): know, effective tool
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): to
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): take out a threat. And if I was the threat, obviously I would want the best and most effective tool.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): But
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): I would never do that. I have no intention of ever doing that. This is a very dark topic, Nick. Would you like to weigh in or just go on?
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): No, I'll weigh in. I would do some. You guys, you guys are lame. If I was going to kill myself, I would do something awesome that no one would ever forget.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): It'd
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): be like
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): 100
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): years from now. People would be like, hey, remember that guy dressed as Spider-Man who lit himself on fire and jumped off the Empire State Building or something? It'd be something badass.
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): So there was a story about the funniest way to kill yourself? All right, so let's set this up, right?
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): You
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): have to go to a tall building with some piano wire, right?
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): You
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): just finished watching The Terminalist Season 2.
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): No. Oh, God. I blanked that out. You go up to a... No, I read all the books. I've read like seven of the books. I know what's going to
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): happen
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): already.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Yeah.
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): And no, so what you do is you paint your hands in your face like a clown, but on your body you wear a tuxedo, right? And then you super glue your hands to your face like this, and you get the piano wire around your wrists and neck, right? And then when you jump off the building with hopefully enough string and a strong enough wire, the piano wire decapitates you. And it cuts your hands off the wrist like this. And before you die, you've got to go like this.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): And
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): make like a surprise look. And your clown hands are glued to your face with an expression. And your tuxedo body fucking hits. And your head hits nearby, presumably. And so you have clown hands and head with tuxedo body. And people going, what the fuck just happened? That's the funniest way to kill yourself.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Holy fuck. Okay. This is why we can, none of us can ever run for office. Just FYI. And I would like to remind everybody that like,
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): know, we say these things in jest, but like suicide prevention line is 988. If you need it, call it. We want you here to fight with us. There is a bunch of enemies out there, but
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): none
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): of what I said was in jest.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): So
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): anyway, 988 from your phone, if you need it, you can text it or you can call it. And I just wanted to give up that reminder. Jeremy, last question is yours.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): A
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): question from Anonymous Coward from Washington. Haven't heard you guys talk about Ace VR in a while. Is it still worth it as a training aid? I've never used it.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): think it is awesome. I think it has massive value as a training aid. I haven't used mine in a while, and that is just because I have not had time, but I need to make time.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Uh,
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): because I'm really trying to get my skills back up to snuff. And I think that that would be a incredibly valuable way to
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): do
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): some of that while I'm not at the range. And I have it. I charged it. I'm like ready to, ready to use it. Cause Nick has been mentioning it quite a bit lately.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Um,
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): so yeah, I think it's valuable. I think it's good. I don't think it's a replacement for training, but I think it's a good addendum to training, Nick.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): think that it is a very big. Especially if you don't already have a headset.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): But
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): if it's something that you think that you would use a lot, which it is, it is very convenient and easy to use. Then I absolutely think it's worth it.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Yeah. Let's see. Okay. Well, that is all of the questions for this evening. The winner this week is Aussie John. So email us at automated at wheelakeshooting.com and Krista will get you your winnings. And for the rest of you listening, if you didn't win tonight, you can win next week. Just either go to welikeshooting.com. Or you can text your name and question to 743-500-2171. And also,
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): someone
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): mentioned that I didn't say the winner last week,
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): which I
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): kind of actually remember that. And I'm trying to
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): remember
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): how to look up
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): the
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): show notes from the previous week, but I don't remember, so I can't figure it out right now.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Well,
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): you know what? No winner last week, I guess.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Nick? Will
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): you tell them that you're angry at them?
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I'm
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): so angry.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Okay,
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): good. Well, no winner last week, but we do have a winner. Aussie John, email at automated. Oh, Krista B said that last week's winner was Carl. So Carl from last week, email automated at welikeshooting.com. And Krista, we get you your winnings as well. So there we go. Two winners
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): last
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): weekend tonight, all announced at one time. So there you have it. No, fuck. Wrong one.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): That was the right one. Follow Jeremy's clan story.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Oh,
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): yeah. Actually, yeah. And Jeremy, the theme song that we play when they did the clown face hands thing would be this.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Oh,
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): no. It would 100% be Benny Hill. Benny Hill.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): All
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): right. That's going to bring us to our gun industry news. Now, Dury Arms has expanded their TM-22 line with the TM-22 Fresh and Ranks Magfed. Now, if... Those names mean nothing to you because you're a normal human being. Then let me go ahead and share my screen so the people who are watching can check it out.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): And
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): for the people who are listening, the Ranks Magfed is...
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): It's
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): like Pinhead from Hellraiser.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): It's
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): just an abomination to look at.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): don't know, man.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): think Daria is actually doing some cool stuff. I think that I'd like appreciate them for being in the industry. I think they've... Done some cool things.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Oh,
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): I'm not even sure on my screen.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): But
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): this ranks mag fed. So it's a lever action, a tactical lever action with a peg leg for a brace or a stock.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): And
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): it's mag fed and it's 22. Like, I don't know what this is. I hate this. This is like, this was made by a blind person
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): who
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): just had somebody describe
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): a
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): robot dog and they drew it and then turned it into a lever. I don't know what this is.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): just, I hate it. Nick?
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I think I'm not into this one.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): saw one of their pistol lever guns
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): somewhere
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): earlier this year.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): They
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): had the folding brace stock thing on it.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Yeah.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): And
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): was like, you know, I guess it's neat that somebody's doing it.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I'm
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): not real interested.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Yeah,
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): it's just not my style, I guess.
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): Yeah, well, I think they're just trying to like. Put all of the new things together. It's like, oh, here's a lever. Like, oh, lever actions are cool. And lever action, tactical lever actions are becoming a thing. I want to point out, Mossberg did tactical lever actions and everybody said they were fucking gay like 15, 20 years ago. And then now everybody does what, I mean, they make a better rifle than Mossberg did. But everybody shit on like the tactical cowboy shit that Mossberg did in like 2012.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Yeah.
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): 2013, whenever that was. And now they're just like trying to do. All of the workarounds that they can at one time. Like this would be really sweet if they would just put a fucking stock on it.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Agreed. To be fair, the Mossberg one had that AR like M4 stock on it.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): That
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): was just god awful.
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): I'm just saying everybody made fun of like the tactical cowboy stuff and now everybody's like.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Oh,
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): yeah.
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): It
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): was ahead
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): of its time.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): So popular.
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): yeah.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): So,
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): yeah. Like, I don't know. This is just a miss for me. Super feeling it, to be honest.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): But
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): I do like her, yeah. Like, I think that they're cool enough. They're fun enough. And gosh darn it, people like them.
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): Except their sales guy's a fucking douchebag.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Why
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): is that?
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Because
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): I didn't get a gun.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Oh, yeah, because you talk shit.
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): Then I'm going to keep talking shit, motherfucker. Exactly. Get your fucking Turk trash out of here.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Oh, yeah. And then the TM-22 Fresh is like, I don't know. It's like a...
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): What
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): is that, Nick?
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): assault weapon.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Yeah. It's like a very tactical with the stock folder.
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): It's a Ruger PC carbine. PC charger in 22 is what it is.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Or
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): a 1022 in one of those Archangel chassis.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Yeah.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): It's got like a
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): pick
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): rail over the top and then it's got a little free-floated handguard looking thing
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): a folding stock.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Would it change your opinion if I said that the lever action was $600 and the other one is $250?
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I'm still not super interested in either, but 250 isn't terrible for a little semi-auto 22 thing.
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): You know what it looks like? Somebody took a Ruger Model 96 with a shittier magazine set up and an uglier fucking stock.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Yeah. Yeah.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): So
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): anyway, like I'm sure these are fine. They're just not my style. And let's see. I think that's all I had to say about that. Diamondback Firearms SDR-A. Black Revolver 2. So Diamondback Firearms has added this new revolver. It adds a black finish variant to the existing SDR-A series.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): And
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): let me show you these bad boys. Let me turn on my censorship plug-in.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): And
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): there you go.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Let
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): me bring this up full size. So to the people, it's like a bird's head grip with a bite taken out of the bottom.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): 7075 T6 aluminum frame. It's just under a pound. It's got a two inch stainless steel barrel.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Okay. I
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): kind of want this. 614 bucks. Six round capacity. 38 special plus P.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Oh
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): no, I don't want it. I don't want stuff that's only 38 special.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): get it. If it's like 357 or 38 special, I'm in.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): But
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): if not, I don't want it. Jeremy, what do you think? You want this?
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): No, it's a Diamondback.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Okay. Nick?
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I'm not super interested in this. I mean, I guess I
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): already
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): have a gun that fills this niche. I don't have a problem with just 38 Super,
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): or
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): excuse me, 38 Special. If it's
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): something
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): like this where it's a really lightweight,
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): know, it's an aluminum frame.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): It
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): says it's 15 ounces. I don't know how that compares to other.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Aluminum framed 38s. But
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah,
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I already have something that does this, I guess. And even if I didn't, I probably wouldn't be looking at Diamondback.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Yeah,
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): that's true. A Gator sent a $5 rumble rant and said that that clown was his favorite music, that stuff. And when I mentioned 22, Dusky sent a $2 that says 22LR. Now,
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): this
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): next story, I don't actually care about the story at all. But I just wanted to read this headline to you guys. And that's all I'm going to do. I'm going to read the headline and then I'm going to move on because I don't know what the fuck any of this means. But like it is very dense in tactical keywords.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): The
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): headline is
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Kraken
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Kinetics launches Odin Energetics with Solugen.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Okay.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): So
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): that happened. That's exciting. Thank you, Soldier Systems. Excellent. Excellent. Very descriptive. Smith and Wesson resurrects two offerings to fill their revolver or to fill revolver void.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): So
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): like instantly I'm kind of in. This is from Bearing Arms. They have now added the new model.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Boy,
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): this is a bad article. I apologize. The model 22 of 1917 classic.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Did
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): you not read that article?
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): No. Oh,
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): they're trying to make gunpowder in America
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): with
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): all the precursors because we don't make any of it.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Smith & Wesson resurrects two offerings to fill revolver void.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): No,
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): the previous one.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): No, Kraken Kinetics. Oh, no. I did not read the article.
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): Yeah. Oh, no. Odin Energenics is in a joint venture with Solugin Aerospace Defense. And if you read down, they're trying to at the center of that model is Nitro Forge, a modular expeditionary manufacturing platform designed to convert precursor chemicals into advanced energetics where capacity is needed most. They want to make gunpowder
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): in America again. Well, good. That's fucking awesome.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Right.
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): I agree. And I hope they do. And if they do, I will buy all of it. And I hope it's not retarded because.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Yeah,
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): Odin's mission is simple. Build the energetic capacity America, its warfighters, and its allies need where they need it, when they need it. Yeah, they're trying to make gunpowder in America.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): hate the like corporate buzzwords and stuff. Like just fucking say, we're going to make
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): gunpowder here,
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): guys. We want to make modernized propellants.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): In
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): America.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Yes.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Getting back to Smith & Wesson, they're reintroducing the Model 22 and the 1917 Classic. So,
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah,
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): the Model 1917 and the Model 22 are back. Let me go ahead and make this full size and show you these guns. Boom.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Look
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): at that.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Oh,
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): I'm getting a .45 Colt.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): I mean, I just kind of want these, right? Like,
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): this
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): is pretty great.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Yeah,
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): I'm getting me a 45 Colt.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Yeah,
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): so the Model 22, 45 Colt, and 45 ACP. Is that true? All right.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): So
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): the Model 22 is on an end frame, and it's going to take 45 Colt and 45 ACP. And I don't know if they're going to have separate models for that, or if they're going to do a...
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): Modified cylinder that'll take, obviously the .45 ACP has to have half moon clips or moon clips.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): So
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): yeah, I think that's cool. Smith
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): Wesson. Nick sounded like he wanted to say something. you like to stop talking?
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Oh,
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): go ahead.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I was just saying they're going to use moon clips, but I think he'll be able to shoot both.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Yeah,
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): that's what I would suspect.
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): Well, right, but as I'm saying, if they make it .45 Colt, right? It's .45 Colt. But you can use .45 ACP with moon clips. You have to use the moon clips at that point. For the .45,
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah.
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): For the .45 ACP. Because if they made a .45 ACP chamber, a .45 Colt wouldn't go into the cylinder. But the way that they're saying it, I don't know if it's going to be a .45 Colt model and a .45 ACP model, or if it's going to be a .45 Colt model that will take moon clips and you can thus shoot .45 ACP.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Well, it's definitely going to take moon clips because the... The 1917 was a .45 ACP that took moon clips. But the way the article reads, it sounds like you'll be able to shoot .45 Colt as well.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Yeah. Pretty
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): freaking cool. Next up, Safari Club International and partners demand the return of millions in wildlife funding in Maine. So basically they formally demanded. That that money be returned to Maine after state actions allegedly diverted or failed to properly allocate the dedicated federal excise tax dollars, which are supposed to be dedicated to wildlife conservation and hunter education. So this is good. Like, hold these motherfuckers accountable. But yeah,
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): so basically the Sportsman's Alliance of Maine and SCI and the NRA have called them out. For diversion of interest earned on funds designated for the Maine Department of Inland Fisheries and Wildlife. Return money improperly retained by the state and ensure compliance with state and federal law. A formal notice was delivered to Maine Attorney General Frey. And the organization's challenge of practice, they say, has diverted all the interest earned on IFW funds to the state's general fund for more than three decades.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Keep
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): it up. Keep it up. And NRA being mentioned again there in some positive news. So that's pretty good. Federal has now added 22 Creedmoor loads to their Fusion and American Eagle product lines. So that seems to be gaining a bit in popularity. The Fusion is going to be a 62-grain Fusion bullet, and the American Eagle is a 55-grain FMJ bullet.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): So
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): there you have a couple different uses. Target shooting and hunting all in one. That's good.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Jeremy,
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): this might be interesting to you. Zanders, now offering the Springfield Armory Echelon Cog. Which is their drop-in FCU.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): So
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): that's available to any dealers that use Xander's.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Here's
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): the answer. The 1917 is 45 ACP only.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): The
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Model 22 is both 45 auto and 45.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Andy?
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): I'm going to get me a Model 22. Yeah, that's tight.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Very
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): cool. Smith & Wesson killing it.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): By
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): the way, last week we talked about the story where
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): they
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): had bought Savage. I've been thinking about it a little bit more. Like, I think this is a good thing overall. Like,
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): think Smith & Wesson is a good company. I think they do a lot of good things. And I think they make a lot of cool stuff. And for them to now have, you know, bolt action slash hunting rifles and things like that
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): under
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): their umbrella. I think that's overall a positive. So, like, I'm down.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Accuracy International joins the FN Browning Group.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): So
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): that is a group that includes FN Herstal, Browning, and Winchester. And now AI has been, Accuracy International has been put in there.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): What
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): do you guys think about that? That's probably not an American company.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): So
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): they got
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): bought?
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Yes.
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): Well, they probably wanted to get the fuck out of England.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): don't fucking blame them.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Yeah.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Well,
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): they're headquartered in Belgium.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I'm
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): sorry. That's for the, let's see.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): The
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): FN. Yes. Browning Group. Yes.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Founded in Portsmouth. Portsmouth in 1980, Accuracy International, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): Three guys in the shed.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Yeah, so
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): more
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): consolidation in the firearms industry. Strike Industries FSA light stab brace in stock.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): don't want even a light stab. I don't want any stabs at all.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Exactly.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): specifically requested not to be stabbed. I said it five times. Let me show you this.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): That
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): looks like it'll go real good on that chassis, though. For the... Right.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): It
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): is a lightweight stabilization option for low recoil pistol platforms featuring the BNT TP9 locking mechanism. The brace provides a secure interface by utilizing a Picatinny rail adapter for compatibility.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Hmm. Yeah. Kind of interesting. $58.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Lots
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): of options there. I feel like Strike Industries is doing a lot of good stuff lately.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Cool
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): stuff. Even. And I think I'll end on that one. So, Nick, tell us about Night Vision.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Night
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Vision. They were founded after the owner had a conversation with this guy named Gideon. Here we go. No, Night Vision makes night sights
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): also adapter plates.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): True. And if you
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): carry
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): your gun for protection, if you carry it, like conceal, carry it, or even have a gun. You know, on your nightstand or whatever. There's a lot of different lighting situations in your house at night. Unless you're just one of those people that turns all the lights off because you're a maniac. But then it might be even more importantly because then you can use your flashlight. You can do PID on threats that may or may not be there. And even if you're using your flashlight, you can obviously see your
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): sights because you'll have that light. But even when you're... Flashlight goes off. You'll still be able to see the three dots, which I think is huge. Transitional spaces, transitional lighting environments. Just a really good thing to have overall. Just another tool in the toolbox. Nightvision.com. Coupon code WLS is life. That is going to wrap this up. Join Gun Owners of America. Gunowners.org slash WLS. Join the agency to support the show. That's agency171.com is a place you can do that.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): already gave out the suicide prevention line, which is 988. And that's just going to do it for this episode of Double Tap. We'll talk to you next time. We'll see you next week. We'd love you. Goodbye and good riddance.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): You know,
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): I PID every night so I don't wake up my wife, you know, piss in the dark.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Oh,
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): yeah, because your bathroom's in the bedroom, right?
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): Yeah, it's right there. You know, if I turn the light on, it floods the bedroom with my master suite.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): That
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): makes
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): sense.
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): So you're pissed by sonar, right? You just let it go until you hear water and stop there.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Oh, yeah. That's 100% what I do as well. Because, you know, I don't clean the bathroom, so it's not my responsibility. And it's not my problem, ultimately.
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