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Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Welcome to We Like Shooting, episode 680. We are so stoked to be here with you tonight. Let me introduce the guys to you if you don't know them. First up, got Nick Lynch, Bus Built Systems. If you'd like to rent a machine gun, you can do it at a place called River's Edge Tactical in valley city ohio that's jeremy's gig savage one r checking in from occupied land bringing us the news bringing us all stuff that's good out there and my name is sean i'll be here to guide you through this and uh i'll be here to help you resolve your emotional trauma it is going to cost you
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): nudes of a female in your life uh over the age of 26 i'm not fucking playing games anymore you know what i mean but i will give out that number the number to send those to uh but we really prefer questions or reviews just your name and your question or your name and your review and text it to 743-500-2171 go ahead do that i'll wait
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Shawn (reference, not reviewed): jeremy to you
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Shawn (reference, not reviewed): did you know
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Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): seen the streets
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Shawn (reference, not reviewed): thought i was so careful
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Shawn (reference, not reviewed): burned my underwear every night when we're traveling together
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): well your wife
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): found a pair and posted it all over the internet
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): damn it
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): i knew this was going to happen
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): knew she was going to do it for clout
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i don't
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): know what kind of clout that gets you but
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Shawn (reference, not reviewed): can be
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): good are
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): you sure that are you sure that it wasn't nick's partner
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Shawn (reference, not reviewed): posting pictures of his underwear
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Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): don't know i don't
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): well
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): that just shows how little you know nick nick doesn't actually wear underwear
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Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): just assumed
Nick (reference, not reviewed): you wore diapers
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): nick
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): have
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Nick (reference, not reviewed): i go uh i go commando because i i've had to cut off and throw away all of my underwear
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah
Nick (reference, not reviewed): i could see that
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): i saw some chick doing a
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): something
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): cross some international competition or whatever and she like shit all over the place oh
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): my god yeah like i've that
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): too it's
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): horrible they should
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): have disqualified her and told her to go clean up like
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): right
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): and she finished the event or whatever other competitors were complaining about it because apparently they like slipped in it but
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): like people were like putting their hands in her shit like go clean up and come back or something right
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Shawn (reference, not reviewed): don't or just don't
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): or fucking disqualify her for shitting herself
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Shawn (reference, not reviewed): yeah i don't know man it's uh
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): it's
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): it's not a good situation it's not a good seen uh but you know what like we got to stay we got to stay positive for nick's sake um like he can't control it just
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): HIV positive exactly
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): exactly yeah
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Shawn (reference, not reviewed): welcome welcome to the show we're glad to have you we're glad we're glad you're here uh thanks to the live viewers thanks to all you uh holding it down listening after the fact which is like 99 of you uh we really truly appreciate it and uh to show our appreciation i will not play the bad music that i played in the last episode uh
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Nick (reference, not reviewed): play the great music that you played in the last
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Shawn (reference, not reviewed): were complaining about the music so i got some new stand let me let me show you
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah so i
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): got a question
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): though yeah so
Nick (reference, not reviewed): the the next round of youtube
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): fucking
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): rules about a drop and uh
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): what
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): does that fucking do for us
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): what
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): with the
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): what was it the
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): no
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): no sponsorship or of uh firearm companies
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): okay these
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): are not these are not new like these are these have been around for a while i think they updated the language in some of them but not to change them in any specific way these have existed always and have always been restricted in that way as i as i recall and as i understand it
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Shawn (reference, not reviewed): here's the thing man
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Shawn (reference, not reviewed): it does
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Shawn (reference, not reviewed): don't care
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Shawn (reference, not reviewed): i literally don't fucking care about youtube uh you know we put very little time effort and energy into it Like we have diversified our bonds and, you know, we put out everywhere on Rumble, on Twitch,
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): on Kick,
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): on X, on YouTube,
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Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Firearms Radio Network. Like we are everywhere
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): always.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): And if YouTube takes us down, like it doesn't affect us. Now, I will say it does affect a lot of our good friends if things go that route. and here's the thing is youtube will sneakily put in this stuff and then they won't enforce it for a few years and then you know when the the political winds change they will begin to enforce it and they'll be like what what the fuck are you talking about we've had this in place for like five years are you crazy you know this is not this is not new you've been oh so what you're saying is you've been breaking the rules for five years come
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): on man do better they're like a gas sliding lover and uh you know they're just they're gonna they're gonna do it what whatever it happens to be that's just the way it is
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Shawn (reference, not reviewed): think
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Shawn (reference, not reviewed): i said lover nick had to leave for a minute he'll he'll be back
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Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): fucking music sounds like uh calliope music yeah
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): so like
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): that's what it reminds me of
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Shawn (reference, not reviewed): makes me laugh but anyway savage i think at this point it's unknown what it will do and then
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): for
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): those that don't know basically they put out a thing that said um branded content it was their branded content policy and i'm pretty sure that it's been this this way for quite a while i think they updated language but just to make it more clear but it had always facial fascially been this way where basically saying that any branded content must be fully disclosed But branded content is not allowed for dangerous things like drugs and marijuana and weapons
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): and ammunition and things like that. So what they also clarified is that even if you're given the gun or the product, that that still counts as branded content. And the reason that I say that this is like the thing that has been around for a while is that's always been the FCC rules. That's always been the law or the policy, I guess. Um, if you go look at the FCC branded guidelines, okay, fucking
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): years ago, maybe like even a decade ago,
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Shawn (reference, not reviewed): learned about the branded content stuff. And I was like, wait, so what you're telling me is that like every gun tuber out there is, is breaking the rules because if you get the gun, if you get the accessory, if you get whatever you're supposed to, you're supposed to clarify that. that's an FCC role. And so I approached all of our content creator friends and I was like, Hey, we should all adhere to this and we should get ahead of this. And we should, you know, like we should
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): clearly disclose these kinds of relationships. Um, you know, like I'll come up with some, a banner or something that you can put that, you know, you, I can't even remember what I called it. But, you know, just to say that you're, you're being clear because the audience that watches our YouTube videos and podcasts and things like that, they, they truly deserve to understand and to know
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Shawn (reference, not reviewed): people are either getting paid or getting free stuff. And, you know, we should, we should lead the, lead the charge on this. We should all do better. And we should all like, you know, really, um, improve this, this for the audience. And the amount of people that I got to reply to me is zero
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Shawn (reference, not reviewed): don't even think i got a reply email or text i don't think not one person that we know would agree to do that
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Shawn (reference, not reviewed): i think that's
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Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): remember when you started putting the banner on all our videos yeah of the reviews and
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): stuff yeah
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): that was like that was back in the day like i i tried to i tried to push this kind of stuff back then because i thought you know i think it's i don't give a fuck about the fcc what i really care about ultimately is that I think that viewers and listeners and people who consume gun content online deserve to know. And like, it doesn't mean that your opinion is faulty or it doesn't mean that you're bought and paid for. It's just a clear delineation of specifically like what you get. Like we always talk about, you know,
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Shawn (reference, not reviewed): we get stuff that we got it for free or that we had it sent to us so we could
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Shawn (reference, not reviewed): it and do that. I've always been very adamant about that, so I don't think it comes as any shock to our listeners that we do this. But even back then, I couldn't get one fucking person to sign on, to agree to it, to even honestly give me any feedback. Maybe things are different now, but I think they're on their own at this point. So
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): let me read the chat here. Outlaw says, a new policy. Hunter's HD Gold says, fuck, fuck, fuck YouTube. J Dub says, there's a need for a gun tuber consortium to stay informed and work together to help each other avoid strikes deletion and promote to a content. But to Sean's point, people are dumb. Man, I wish I could remember what I called that. I had a domain registered and everything.
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Shawn (reference, not reviewed): could probably find it, but
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): no
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): one wanted to sign up for it then. and i get it like people get nervous they don't want to be called a shill they're yeah they don't want people to know that they got a gun
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Shawn (reference, not reviewed): exchange for the review or got paid for the review or or any of that to be fair i had to send rock island armory a fucking email today because they were
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Shawn (reference, not reviewed): to pay like
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Shawn (reference, not reviewed): was 250 for a youtube review
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Shawn (reference, not reviewed): just the craziest the craziest fucking agreement and everything like they wanted four pieces of individual content or a video review for that 250 dollars that they're then going to w w9u and uh i was like nah um that doesn't work as written here's my counter proposal which i guarantee that i will never get an email back on um but yeah disclosure is like an important thing i think i think that again don't care about the government don't care about the fcc ultimately
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): i think that people who watch gun content because i remember i remember in the very beginning watching youtube videos and i think it would have been important and relevant information for me to have when i made buying decisions so i don't know
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Shawn (reference, not reviewed): didn't mean to go off on that fucking rant that lasted forever
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Shawn (reference, not reviewed): here we are uh i won't
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): won't fucking ruin anyone's night with that music
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Shawn (reference, not reviewed): i will get some more because i can see everyone really likes it
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Shawn (reference, not reviewed): mike uh i have been shooting my
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): foxtrot
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): mike isu 9 with the foldy boy lower nick have you shot yours recently how's it going how's everything how's everything treating you with yours
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Nick (reference, not reviewed): just just the occasional mag dump in the backyard mostly
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Nick (reference, not reviewed): go dump a mag or two and then go yeah
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Shawn (reference, not reviewed): got good tone
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Shawn (reference, not reviewed): got i got
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Nick (reference, not reviewed): at
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Nick (reference, not reviewed): point when i get time and also the weather cooperates i'm gonna go uh
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Nick (reference, not reviewed): know
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Nick (reference, not reviewed): do a proper range day with it
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): it's uh
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): it's
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): it's a blast it's got good tone it'll be available very soon i really like the foldy boy jeremy how's yours been doing
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): pretty
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): good still running the machine gun
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): see
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): fucking great now nick you have the atrius frs correct
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yes i
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): just put the atrius frs in mine uh got it got it dialed in i went to the range twice last week uh once to dial in the atrius and then another after i actually got the atrius and and going and yeah it's just it's a it's got a fun cyclic rate uh with those with those frs's and i gotta say love the isu9 and the foldy boy so if you're looking for a gun if you're looking for a pistol caliber
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): carbine i think this is honestly a really great way to go especially if you're going to shoot in some pcc matches uh
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Shawn (reference, not reviewed): far as i know suppressor is not a bad thing most of the time people don't want it just because
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Shawn (reference, not reviewed): a bunch of length out at the end but this is an integral suppressor so it's all built in you can find out more about that the ranch rifles all the other stuff that they do at fm-products.com coupon code wls's life is going to save you money and, uh, highly recommend doing some really,
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Shawn (reference, not reviewed): my opinion, paradigm shifting stuff over there, really innovating a platform that hasn't had true innovation in quite a long time. So, uh, I really appreciate their support and would love if you went and check them out.
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Shawn (reference, not reviewed): is gear chat. It's where we talk about fun stuff, cool stuff, stuff that we want and stuff that we have.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): And
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): sometimes it's going to be about Jeremy because Jeremy over the weekend was like, hey i would like to uh kind of walk people through some e-form shit because i get a lot of questions about this and i was like dude that's a great fucking idea so jeremy uh the floor is yours take it away tell me what you need
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): all
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): right i'm going to share my screen um i'm gonna go this new tab here
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Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): don't need to share the audio because there shouldn't be any all right
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): so
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): we're going to go to eforms Firearms.atf.gov.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Tell
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): me when you want me to share. I'm already sharing. Okay.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Tell me
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): when you want me to
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): share. Oh, there you go. Yeah. All right. I'm sharing my screen. All right. So if you don't have an account,
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I'll
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): walk through this. If you don't have an account, you hit this little, there'll be a pop-up here. You got to kind of wait for it. You have to be like, yes, I won't fuck around on the government website. You go over here and you hit register.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): it'll
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): take you over to something like this
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): it's
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): going to give you a do
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): you actually want this on screen right now
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): i don't care okay it's not going to show anything i'm not going to go through this
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): okay
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): i'm not going to type anything in here so you're going to put your email here you're now if you have silencer shop or you've done anything like that e-form you're going to have this account but for anybody that has never done this before you got to go over here and you got to set up a registration account so yeah this isn't going to show anything i don't care about okay because my account's actually linked to the shop it doesn't have like my address and everybody knows where i work anyways
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um do
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): you put your email you put your email in again you put your first name if you have a if
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): don't have a middle name you put no middle name if your middle name isn't an initial only which screws people up because some people go oh oh yeah
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Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): have a middle name i don't use it and i'm like i don't give a fuck if you have your school fucking middle name but some people don't have them like i had a friend his first name was the letter w
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): right it's
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): fucking dope it was like w william whatever the fuck it was right um so if you but if you have a full middle name you put full middle name the name last name and cadence is junior the second to fifth blah blah blah they go down to the 10th
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): in the drop down no middle name is a choice
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): in the drop down right here no middle name initial only or full middle name so you choose which one applies to you cool if it is on your birth certificate you have a full middle name fucking choose it i don't care if you go by it nobody fucking calls me by my middle name but my mother and i still have one
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um i
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): don't so i always i always have to put n m n
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): well
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): on this one you would hit no middle name it blocks it out
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): cool
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): got
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): it much like on the new 44 e44 73s that like uh fastbound does if you click no middle name it just fucking auto fills nmn in in quotations like they want
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): instead of actually just typing it out
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): title you really can forget about title you used to have to put like mr mrs you know whatever but you can just kind of leave this one blank country obviously it's going to be united states because most people aren't resident aliens but if you are a resident alien you are not an american citizen but you still are afforded these things so like i got a cousin who married a kiwi he would have to put new z right um put your address put your zip code that will auto kind of complete your city
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): county and state and you fill all this in phone number security question these are like if you lose your shit so what city was your father born what city was your mother born what is your maternal grandmother's maiden name what was the last name of your third grade teacher and where were you when you first like you could choose any one of these it doesn't matter you know fucking do it up
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Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): you have to make your password it's got to meet all these things
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): can
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): you tell us your password just so we can know what to fill
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Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): uh one two three four go fuck yourself
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): okay
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): honestly
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): i
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): wouldn't i would not be surprised at all if that was it
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): it's
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): not um and then you put in a four digit pin that you would that you know put in your four digit pin everybody's got one or two put it in
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): what's uh what's
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): your atm card pin so i can use that one
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): it's
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): different from this so go fuck yourself um so and then you put you hit i'm not a robot
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): then you hit register
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): all
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): right i'm going to cancel this out so once you have that you'll get an email from the atf with your username
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): you need that username to log in so you have to kind of wait for to get the email it'll say like welcome to e-forms or some bullshit like that and you go from there once you go over there you can log in here's the pop-up right welcome you're accessing u.s government information technology and or information system blah blah blah they're like don't fuck around on here or we will fuck you in the ass is basically what it says yes i accept
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): you'll log in sign in
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): your
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): sign in name will be the first initial of your first name the first five of your last name if you have more than five letters in your last name and then five random numbers they will issue that to you then it looks like this you can make this full screen if you want if you
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): mean it basically Resize your browser window, like horizontally.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): What
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): do mean?
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): I don't know that I can.
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): Oh, I didn't know if you could, like, take our faces off of it.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): mean, I can, yeah.
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): Okay. All right. So you go up here to, like, my profile and stuff. It's, like, how you can, like, change stuff. If you, like, did a typo or your address changes, you can go in here to my profile and change all that. but for most of you what what is important is going to be an atf form one so this is what you fill out if you want to build your own short barrel your own uh short barrel rifle or shotgun your own aow your own suppressor stuff like that
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): so
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): you click that you click that little green box i affirm this is a legitimate form one application they got tired of people trying to fucking register potatoes and shit um i'm not even joking uh i affirm now you have to choose whether you are an individual a trust and honestly most of you it's either going to be individual or trust for this uh application we are going to say we are an individual next it's going to give you a bunch of stuff saying like hey don't be a fucking asshole and
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): here's how you do some stuff if you need to read any of this uh
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): know go ahead and read it but we're going to skip to the application right here tax stamp submit blah blah blah this is zero so there's only one check to uh uh click now um it used to have like 200 stamp five dollar stamp shit like that um next uh this is going to be my i don't know why it has initial only i have a middle name i don't know why it's doing that because i didn't sign up that way
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): blah blah here's the shop's address yada yada yada all right we are gonna go now these are all the same questions on a 4473 do you intend to make firearm listed you know you got to answer all these is appropriate i can't tell you which one is which
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yep it's
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): all the fucking questions that a 4473 asks you if you are an alien say like a non-immigrant visa and if you have a u-pin now is the time to put that in and then your country of citizenship uh u.s non-us yada yada yada if you're again if you're a resident alien you're gonna have your uh u.s cis or i-94 or any one of these numbers and then you would click that but for american citizens none of that shit matters
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): um you put in u.s that you know u.s versus non-us get out of here um and then you won't have a select country option
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): next
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): all right this is where you get to the uh responsible persons if you did a trust this is where you will have to put in all of your responsible persons for the trust you have to keep clicking add responsible person but since i didn't click trust this is grayed out so it's just me right
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): have to go over here to where it says actions and it says edit line item
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): you click that and it brings up this window all right
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): have to put citizenship because i didn't click u.s citizen it's asking me for a country um which it wouldn't say i don't have a cadence all of this is going to be full because that's what's on your um
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): that's
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): what's in your your account now you get to photo jpeg jpeg or png only you could take this with your phone and upload it but remember it's got to be from the shoulders to the top of the head you have to see all of it shoulders top of the head on a blank uh on a blank wall uh preferably white or gray or like a you know
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): like they do at the fucking social security office for passports and shit now if you have an eft file which is the fingerprint file which we've talked about the various ways to get those
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): this
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): is where you can put in your eft if you don't do this you should already have uh fingerprint cards made up like you should do that before you do this
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): because you're gonna have to mail those and your photo in if you don't want to upload a photo or fingerprints here actually you might have to actually upload a photo on this uh i don't know if they still accept that because it's got a little star next to it i just noticed they changed that
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um take
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): it with your cell phone have put your back on a plain wall have somebody take your photo make sure it's not fucked up and upload it email it to yourself and just click it over eft if you have it this is where you put it in social security not required failure to provide may delay processing you know do as you will
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): all this is again This is all the shop address because this is my store account, but
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I've
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): never done a form one under this because I do form twos. Date of birth, birth country, birth state, state of residence, sex, race, ethnicity. And then again, if you're a resident alien, you have to put in your other information here. And if you have a U-PIN, put it in down there. Then you would hit save and close.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): this
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): will this little uh there this little red triangle off on the left here will go away once you've filled that out correctly
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): then
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): you go to chief law enforcement officer agency department or name you're going to literally put in what your chief law enforcement officer
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): of
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): your area is it can be um it can be your local pd it can be your sheriff's office it can be a highway patrol post it could it could be the state attorney general of the state that you're in because technically the attorney general of your state is the chief law enforcement officer in your state
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): how
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): do you know which one to pick
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): any of any
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): of any or all okay
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): it
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): doesn't matter as long if you i don't live in a city
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): so
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): the only law enforcement that we really have around here is the county sheriff we don't have our own pd we only have the sheriff's office um but i know that silencer shop does send these to a highway patrol post that's right over here um but they've also sent them to the attorney general's office but i think they got asked to stop because they stopped doing it um but technically that's not
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): um
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): fuck
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): you lenny um
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): it
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): none of that really matters if you live in a city you can put your city pd um but since we no longer have like requesting permission it doesn't really matter
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): back in the day if you knew your sheriff was cool and your your chief of police was a dickhead put your sheriff and send him the fucking paperwork none of that really matters now because you're just notifying them and most of them that i've talked to they're like the shit comes in off the fax machine or in an email and we just put it in a file and never look at it again
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um so
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): agency or department name so for me it would be like medina county sheriff's office or sheriff's department name of agency official our sheriff is terry grice he's the sheriff country the address of the sheriff's office uh five independence drive medina ohio
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): four
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): four two five three
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): asked me how many times
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): so many apparently so
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): many all right next now now we get into actually what the item that we are going to register right you are going to click add firearm it is going to bring up this fucking page right here um we don't have a template but we're going to say all right what are we going to what are we going to manufacturer uh uh should we do a foxtrot mike yeah
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): so
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): fm
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): products incorporated so you have to know what's actually on the side of the gun
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): yeah if
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): i type in foxtrot mike it won't show up it's fm products incorporated right yep you're going to hit verify manufacturer
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): manufacturer
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): successfully verified select manufacturer country united states next now in here you're going to pick what you are going to register uh any other way obviously it's not going to be a machine gun because you can't form one a machine gun so you get aow short pearl rifle silencer um i want to know why short pearl shotgun's not in here but uh
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): that's
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): weird oh because they don't make a shotgun
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): these
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): are the only options for foxtrot mike that's why i forgot about that so if you if i if i if i go back and i click mossberg
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): probably help if i could spell
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): mossberg verify manufacturer united states next it's gonna allow me to register a short barrel shotgun
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): okay so
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): let's stick with this because i don't want to go back so let's say we're going to do a short barrel shotgun which i might actually register one here pretty soon
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): pick
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): your fucking model the exact model we are not fucking playing around here whatever the receiver says you pick if your receiver is not in here there's more shit to do okay so you're gonna say mossberg
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): 500 uh whatever um
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Oh,
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): do they have just 590? Oh, here we go. 590 shockwave. Caliber, 12. Unit of measure, gauge. This should not say 12 gauge right here. This should not say 20 gauge right here. It should say 12. And then you pick your unit of measure. My item description is not in the list. Create new item. If your shit doesn't show up in here, you click this and then you can type it in. if you have to do that like when i registered my brownells
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): brn10 yes pick your exact fucking specific fucking model you shit yeah that is correct um if you like when i register my brn10 as a machine gun it wasn't in there like at all so i had to click that box and type it in and that actually creates it in here um and then i had to just put a description in here
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): then we'll
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): further
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): down the line we'll i'll show you so we're gonna go 590 we're just gonna go 590 12 gauge length of barrel what is your length of barrel i'm gonna make a 10 inch
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): this is in inches not in anything else measure and if okay
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): On all guns, you measure from the bolt face or the slide face on a closed bolt or closed slide. So whether it's a pistol, rifle, shotgun, it doesn't matter. You fucking close the bolt all the way until it's locked. You run a cleaning rod all the way down the barrel, mark it at the end of the barrel, pull it out, and measure that distance. That is how you measure proper. That is how the ATF will measure barrel length. That is how you measure. you don't fucking pick a random spot or think that you know the only time
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): that actually works is on a revolver where you can actually see the back of the barrel
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): but
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): anything with a closed breech like a pistol a rifle a shotgun you measure off the face of the bolt or the face of the slide
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): so
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): we're gonna have a 10 inch overall length if i remember correctly correctly and and
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): if
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): i remember correctly and fix me if i'm wrong it's shortest configuration of the stock not folded so if it has a folder don't fold it
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): but
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): the shortest configuration of the stock to the end of the barrel threads unless the muzzle device is permanently attached which the whole point of doing this is you wouldn't have to do that so
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): have to know where your muzzles stop like on an ar-15 take your muzzle device off or just know where the threads stop and you measure from the stock to the threads complete overall length as close as you can get by you know inches if it's say on this shotgun it's got a stock and it is
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): we're just gonna say 23.25 inches right
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): serial
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): number write the serial number the fucking gun on there it's fucking one two three four
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): fuck
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): you right because i'm building this
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): here we're gonna make the serial number atf is gay one nice
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): then description uh
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): can literally just put like mossberg shock shock wave with installed
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): shoulder
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): stock you don't actually have to fill this part out but sometimes i just like to write exactly what it is um
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): then you hit next now this is electronic documentation remember i said if they've never seen it before um it's going to auto fill that thing this is where you're going to want to if you're creating something completely new and you had to type something something in because i've never seen anybody do this before this is where you're probably going to want to take a picture of that upload a picture of like the receiver and the the full gun not assembled because you're
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): doing a form one just put the stock next to it don't complete it because this is your permission request
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): take
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): a picture of the receiver with the make model serial number if you got to upload a couple of them do that
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): type
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): the description in photo of right side of receiver showing a model and serial number or whatever and then you'll upload them here hit add document so they come down here and then you'll hit finish
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): if
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): this is fucked up it will tell you or if you think you fucked up you know delete this and start over then you go to next again this is Kind of like the last one. You can put those same pictures here. You can say a photograph. These are all diagrams and schematics because sometimes, especially if it's a gun that you built out of nothing, for most of you, none of this will matter, right?
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): For most of you, none of this is going to matter for shit. but if you have a photograph you want to upload to stave off them emailing you and saying hey are you sure you did this right you can send them a proof of and a photograph here
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): likewise
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): if you're doing this as a um trust this is where you upload your trust paperwork
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): one
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): of these
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): options
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): on a yeah here we go corporation trust other legal entity click that a description copy of trust paperwork
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): upload that file you should have an you should have an electronic file of your trust and you upload it here and then you hit add document it goes in down here and then you say next that is going to kick you over to here uh first name middle initial middle name blah blah blah blah it's gonna go all the way down here
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): you're gonna say i verify all this above information is correct actually verify it don't fucking
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): just
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): actually verify your shit's correct and then hit next now this is where you would normally pay so
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): this
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): isn't going to let me do anything because application has not been validated successfully and has errors this is where it'll tell you hey something's fucked up go back and look i know where it is because i didn't do a lot of this stuff back here
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you'll
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): say provided all of this it like i didn't it tells you where applicant responsible persons and cleo it's telling you where it's fucked up so if you have any questions or if you want to click here to view a pdf of the completed form it'll show you where your deficiencies are or you can click here and it will take you back to applicant and then like i didn't answer any of these questions so
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): we're gonna go back to here and it will tell you so like if i say well i don't want to answer all these because i don't want to like tell people what the right answer is so
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um we're
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): gonna go back to here i don't want to get in trouble for being like well you showed people right which were um once you've
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): once
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): you've unfucked all of that
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): you're here again and this is like yeah you're good you click
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): swear to god i didn't fucking lie and a completed copy of this form will be directed to the cleo shown in item 10 in the statements blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah so you're gonna get and then you're gonna hit um you don't have to pay anymore so this is just doesn't exist and then you'll hit sign them submit once you hit sign and submit
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): a
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): pop-up will show up and that's where you put in your pin that four-digit pin that you needed when you registered so once you put your pin in um it as long as it says uh like documents uh submitted successfully like you're done uh well you're done on the website so once that happens here you'll then have to go to the email that you put into your account and you wait for the atf to send you what is essentially a cover letter that
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): is what you'd need if you were mailing in your fingerprints you get the cover letter and it tells you where to mail shit in you have to print the cover letter off put it in an envelope with your fingerprints and mail that off um that email
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): will also forward to the chief law enforcement officer that
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): chose right you can google and just find their email addresses right if you can't find it call them up tell them who to send ask them who to send it to hey who do i email this to if you want to print it off and drive up there and drop it off on the fucking front desk so be it like that's all you're required like you notified them if the person at the desk don't give it to the right person that's not on you
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): so and
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): then you have to wait and then when you wait and you wait and you wait and you wait you eventually when um your tax stamp will come in your email um but that's pretty much the whole process for that
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): it's the exact same way actually if um if if you can indulge me
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): we're gonna discard and exit this now it's the same idea now on atf e-forms you can do a form 4 transfer individual to individual as long as you write as long as you both live in the same state so it's the same thing you go over here to form four. Click it. Say you're an individual. Next. It's transferring from an individual, which would be me. So this would be like if I owned it. And then here it auto fills all
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): this shit out. Address. Next. We don't have an alternate address. This is
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): if
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): your address is different from the item in 3A.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): And
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): then you're going to say to another individual and then you put all their information in here and then they have to answer all these questions and then you hit next that's handy yeah and oh it's so great dude i can tell you how many of these i've facilitated between people go back to your edit line item and then they have to put in all of their information here this would all be auto filled by the previous page put their photo fingerprints are the same all this stuff is the same save and
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): close
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): now
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): this is a little chief law chief law enforcement officers all the same
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): it
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): it is what it is now this is where it gets a little bit different
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): on
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): a form four you either have to so you can find by social security number so you type in somebody's social here and you look up inventory and then it kind of brings up stuff that they would have here and then you say i certify if
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): don't have a control number because they're they're newer i should say like it's not on your form four like you would have that in the email where you um
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): would have that in the email uh if you did e-forms when you registered or got it transferred to you um you can
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): can find control number and then you have to like go through all of this this all this information is on your form 4 so you type it all in and hit find if it pops up great if it doesn't pop up you can go to social security number and serial number again fill all this stuff out put in the person who owns its social
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): the
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): serial number of the gun fill out all this stuff which again is on the form 4 and it has to be exact and i'm what i mean exact it has to be exact um otherwise this shit won't find it and then you'll get the control number it'll pop up down here once you have your control number you copy paste it hit add firearm from control number put it in here
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): hit
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): find form with the serial number and then you'll hit add firearm once that is then down here and you have the firearms suppressor short barrel whatever it is you go again we probably don't need these electronic documentation unless you're going from an individual to a trust and you would pick corporation trust other legal entity and then
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): uh next and then you're gonna make sure all this stuff which would be filled out if you did it all and didn't skim over it like an asshole like now the only difference here is it's 200 if you're doing a machine gun or destructive advice it's zero dollars if you're not this would be
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): chosen for you uh based on what you picked on that firearm the system will know right the transferee is the person who
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): who
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): is receiving it and the transferor is the person who's selling it so you both say under penalties imposed under penalty of perjury both of you click your individual boxes pay if you have to this will take you to a uh pay
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): .gov
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): yeah pay.gov thing where you can where you can pay it and that'll kick you back over here and then you hit sign and submit they have to put in their username and pin the transferer
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i'm
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): sorry the transferee puts in their username and pin and then the transferer would just put in their pin number because you would presumably be in
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): the
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): account of the transferer on e-forms you would you would log into the transferers account not the transferees account yeah and it'll say submitted successfully and all that fun stuff and that's how you
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): that's how you work a form one and a form four on the new system um if you have the eft file makes it a lot easier but you can manually mail in a fingerprint card
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): that's handy man
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um so now
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): quit asking me questions
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): uh watch the fucking show
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): all
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): right there you go all right thanks jeremy it's super useful honestly because i know a lot of people send in questions as well and uh yeah that's a very good explanation uh the video version will be everywhere rumble all that stuff but you know i think you can follow along audio as well. And yeah. Awesome.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): You
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): get a lot of questions about that, right, Jeremy?
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): Yeah, I was literally talking to a listener two days ago when I messaged you about it.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Yeah.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): And
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): that was like the fifth one.
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): So I was like,
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): fuck it.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Can
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): we just make a video?
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Definitely.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): And, you know, ultimately, like, it's all pretty self-explanatory. but you know, sometimes it's good to have a, a walkthrough that
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): just
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): at least tells you that you're going in the right direction. Um, all right. So couple of things here real quick. I wanted to just,
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): went shooting a couple of times in the last few days and
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): was curious about recoil and measurement because you know the prime radian i really feel like it shoots pretty well pretty uh pretty well and then i had a comped gun and so i built a tool to like measure recoil just kind of just for me and it was kind of surprising so i wanted to show it to you guys here
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): i'm going to share my screen now and i'll i'll describe it for the people who are listening it's not incredibly complicated or anything that you need to see to understand uh okay so i had where is it
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): okay
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): so i had an image uh a still or a video i mean of this is the
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): this
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): is going to be the rxm the um
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): ruger
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): rxm and so i basically i built my tool where i just put it midline on the the top of the barrel for the start frame and then i go forward a couple frames until it's at its highest arc and then i click again and then it measures it so just the basic rxm no comp or anything it does have a flashlight on it so this is an incredibly scientific because it'll be differently uh but the muzzle rise between the starting frame and the end frame, which is,
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh,
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): three frames, 50 milliseconds is going to be 9.58% of the picture height.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): So
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): that's just our baseline. It doesn't really mean anything. It's unimportant. Uh, but it is 9.58% of the picture height. And these are all the same picture height. So then I went to
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): the
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): rost martin rm1f the full size and it has a mischief machine comp on it
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): measured that one and this one is 6.05 percent of the picture height
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): i was like oh three percent improvement that's actually that's pretty good that's that's very interesting
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): so
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): then i went to the canic prime radian which has the ramjet and the afterburner from uh radian and measured that one
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): that one is 3.28 percent of the picture height
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): so
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): again uncomped nine a little over nine percent uh compensated rm1f like six percent and then the mechanic prime radian three percent so it is a clear distinction that it works pretty well and i know a couple times i went shooting with a buddy country boy guns and he was like yeah the canic prime radian you shoot like way faster and the reason why is it's like returning uh returning to my line of sight faster and quicker
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): and i can pull the trigger faster because i can acquire the dot again uh even faster and i just thought that that was actually a very interesting um it shows it also shows some like side drift and things like that and it's even markedly uh different on the canic prime radian as well so from nine percent to six percent to three percent with the the prime radian i just thought was a very interesting result i actually want to do this a lot more scientifically now that i because now it's got me curious
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): so you know have guns that are in the same class
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): whether
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): it's like a four inch barrel five inch barrel 3.6 inch barrel have them in the same class test them standard comped
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): you know just to like kind of build a database of all these different numbers uh just to
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): get
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): an idea of the recoil and uh you know i'll have to like build this out a little bit better to show it'll probably be midline of the barrel is where i'll eventually want to go and then as as we go higher we'll do midline of the barrel I think it's pretty cool. And I think that the Canic Prime Radian
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): really
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): does have a very manageable recoil. And now I actually have some numbers to show that. So I just wanted to talk about that.
Nick (reference, not reviewed): That's really cool, man.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Yeah, I thought it was useful. It was like just kind of a throwaway because I was looking at the footage and I was like, damn, that thing barely recoils at all.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): but
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): i wanted to have something that
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): know kind of showed what it actually did
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): so that's what i did
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): thought it was i thought it was fun
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh a
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): couple things here these all have gideon optics on it
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): i wanted to bring up gideon optics uh coating and the protection on the glass for some reason
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): the
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): canic prime radian recoils directly into the glass of the optic and i was like
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): okay
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): because uh the
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): the
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): casings i think they basically shoot off at about one o'clock out of this gun and we were like why is that happening and i was like dude i bet they're bouncing off the glass and so
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): like i
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): went to look and sure enough they're bouncing off the glass which i was like this is going to break it's going to scratch up my lens and be all ugly and stupid
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): but
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): after wiping off the carbon and the soot and everything uh it looks like it's in perfect shape i can't see any
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): permanent
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): impacts i can't see any permanent scratches or anything like that um so i gotta say
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): the
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): the glass is handling it very very well and i shot about
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): 200
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): rounds through this uh over the last
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): week uh
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): not a ton but
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): think uh them recoiling into the glass out of this gun specifically uh just it shows how durable the gideon uh films or
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): what's
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): what's the word i'm looking for nick uh coatings coatings thank you
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): are pretty damn good so now i've been shooting a lot of the beginning red dots obviously i've got the valor mini here on the gerson cmx triple x it shoots pretty good it shoots like an officer model uh nine millimeter exactly what you would expect but i really love the valor mini one of my favorite my favorite red dots i have
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): let's
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): see one of these is the judge xl
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): think actually they both might be
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): just
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): different
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): these are both
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): uh these these have also been just like freaking outstanding uh someone actually messaged on instagram and they were like hey can
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): send me a picture of the
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): this
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): one the uh canic prime radian with the gideon optic on it and i was like yep here you go fresh fresh off the assembly line with this one um but yeah i absolutely love their red dots if you haven't checked them out if you haven't really shot with some red dots they're a great way for you to get into it and uh i carry a gideon optic every single day so if you're looking for red dots for your pistols or you can even throw these on rifles most of them come with mounts that you can put them on your rifle go check those out gideonoptics.com coupon code wls is life just
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): absolutely superior durability on all the ones that i have and i i've been able and very lucky to shoot a ton of gideon optics and i've had zero problems that i
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): think my
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): favorite part of it all
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): is
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): that it comes with a picatinny mount most of them have not that it comes
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah that
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): is really nice yeah it's so handy little
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): riser
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): i've even used those for other optics because like i didn't want that one with like i wanted that one mounted but then i was like i just save them because i was like boy i really like oh fuck i got that good i
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): have
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): i also have used them uh for other things i was like oh i need a little bit of a riser and it works it works but yeah i just i can't get over how much value i get out of these optics and uh they're just outstanding and they are constantly go like go look at some of their competitors man like
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): they've
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): got competitors that haven't put out a new optic in fucking two years like over a year year and a half crazy to me crazy that those companies are like even staying in business
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): what's that one um trijicon
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): excuse
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): me jeremy they innovated the shit recently because they put out a green dot
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): oh
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): shit damn
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): almost as if gideon optics has been doing that for years but uh i thought that this canic prime radian uh ejection pattern was very interesting and it was going right into the glass and you know I Eventually, like, if it doesn't straighten out, it will cause a problem, but
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): it's,
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): yeah, it's literally flawless at this point.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): And
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): I'm talking like, it took a lot of glass to the screen, so the coatings are good, the glass is strong, and I feel fully confident recommending them. GideonOptics.com, coupon code WLS is life.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): All
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): right, Nick, what's your gear chat?
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Gear chat? Yeah,
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): gear chat.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): my
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): what gear chat ho
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): isn't
Nick (reference, not reviewed): it funny when i do this
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): it's hilarious never ever ever gets on my nerves
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um
Nick (reference, not reviewed): it's the chiro morph
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): oh
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): the chiro morph tell me more about it
Nick (reference, not reviewed): fused into one it's the chiro morph
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): just
Nick (reference, not reviewed): been fused into one uh one word here
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um
Nick (reference, not reviewed): it's a i think you've talked about yours right you have one
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah i got one a while a
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): while back yeah
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah
Nick (reference, not reviewed): it's a
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): chassis
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): for glock
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): pistols to
Nick (reference, not reviewed): turn it into a pdw thing
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um and
Nick (reference, not reviewed): yeah it's got some some cool stuff going on
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): so it
Nick (reference, not reviewed): is i have it right here
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): there
Nick (reference, not reviewed): are things that i like about it there are things that i hate about it
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um
Nick (reference, not reviewed): so far the thing that i hate the most is uh it comes with a grip that holds a magazine like a foregrip not a foregrip thing
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): a
Nick (reference, not reviewed): forward magazine holder
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um and
Nick (reference, not reviewed): i
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): it
Nick (reference, not reviewed): it's terrible like ergonomically like it is
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): it
Nick (reference, not reviewed): is so uncomfortable um
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i
Nick (reference, not reviewed): don't i don't hate the concept uh like right here i have the recover tactical one
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): that
Nick (reference, not reviewed): i've got on on this thing
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um
Nick (reference, not reviewed): which i still don't think is like the best in the world as far as ergonomics go
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh
Nick (reference, not reviewed): but it is it is better than than the one that comes with this
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah uh
Nick (reference, not reviewed): that that thing
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah uh
Nick (reference, not reviewed): so not a
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): fan of that
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): but
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): he
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): just i think you you
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): muted yourself there nick you said not a fan of that then we heard nothing else
Nick (reference, not reviewed): uh
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah
Nick (reference, not reviewed): so uh
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you're
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): muted
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): again what
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): are you doing nick jesus christ
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): he's
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): getting so mad right now
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): okay
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): what about now yep we can hear you again
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i
Nick (reference, not reviewed): don't i don't know what's going on i'm not touching anything i'm not even like
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): getting
Nick (reference, not reviewed): near anything
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): do you suppose that
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): maybe it's the palestinians because you're talking about a jewish firearm accessory
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you're
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): muted again
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): no
Nick (reference, not reviewed): that's probably uh it's probably massad
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): oh it's it's
Nick (reference, not reviewed): honestly
Nick (reference, not reviewed): not
Nick (reference, not reviewed): me
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): it's
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): not me
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): my
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): hands are up
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): no
Nick (reference, not reviewed): it's not it's something on my end
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i
Nick (reference, not reviewed): i need to replace some cables
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): if you tell me what you need i'll send it over
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): cables
Nick (reference, not reviewed): i need lots of cables uh
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah
Nick (reference, not reviewed): but but what's really cool about it um it's got the spring-loaded brace or they have a stock version available that is spring loaded i think
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um
Nick (reference, not reviewed): you just push the button and it goes like that
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um i
Nick (reference, not reviewed): find that if i have my my index finger like up on the the side of the gun so that it's not on the trigger but it's you know
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): straight
Nick (reference, not reviewed): forward
Nick (reference, not reviewed): like where you
Nick (reference, not reviewed): would put it um when i go to deploy the brace it's like
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh
Nick (reference, not reviewed): that time it locked nicely um
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): it
Nick (reference, not reviewed): can be if i'm touching the rail it can be just enough to slow the brace down enough that it won't come all the way out and lock so i've got to be mindful of that
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um
Nick (reference, not reviewed): and also just like my knuckle touches it
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh
Nick (reference, not reviewed): so yeah if you have like a nice high grip on the gun you kind of gotta gotta watch out
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um the
Nick (reference, not reviewed): uh it comes with a like brake flash hider thing
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): attached
Nick (reference, not reviewed): to the front
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah um which is that
Nick (reference, not reviewed): off because i
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): which
Nick (reference, not reviewed): is what
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): which is metal by the way which is nice
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah
Nick (reference, not reviewed): yeah it's uh i think it's aluminum um
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i
Nick (reference, not reviewed): took that off uh when i talked to one of the guys at goals he was saying that you could take that off and run a suppressor on it. My suppressor is too fat. This a Glock 17 that I have in here. My suppressor is too fat. So I can't run it suppressed right now. but
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i
Nick (reference, not reviewed): have another glock 17 frame that's all built out and i've been wanting an excuse for quite a while to put a uh
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): oh
Nick (reference, not reviewed): a 34 length sliding barrel on it so i might do that and use that for this this kit
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um if
Nick (reference, not reviewed): i'm not careful i can close this thing without locking it
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um
Nick (reference, not reviewed): fully in fact the the one that i shot at goals wasn't fully locked
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um
Nick (reference, not reviewed): on the back here but the taking the gun in and out is super easy you just push down on this catch the back end slides open
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and
Nick (reference, not reviewed): then you can
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you can
Nick (reference, not reviewed): pull the gun out
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um
Nick (reference, not reviewed): i have the sights and the red dot taken off because i had uh suppressor height sights and a red dot
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and
Nick (reference, not reviewed): obviously those aren't gonna fit inside here
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and
Nick (reference, not reviewed): then it comes with this little charging handle thing
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um
Nick (reference, not reviewed): that just slides over the back of the gun
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and
Nick (reference, not reviewed): that is how you rack the slide when it is um inside the uh
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): the
Nick (reference, not reviewed): chassis here um yeah overall i think it's a really cool idea
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and
Nick (reference, not reviewed): i don't think that it's a terrible um
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): design
Nick (reference, not reviewed): there are some things that
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh
Nick (reference, not reviewed): that i think i would change on it
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um i
Nick (reference, not reviewed): think it's cool that they have they do have like metal in the places where you would need metal
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): or
Nick (reference, not reviewed): where you would worry about it
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um if
Nick (reference, not reviewed): you are gonna run a 19 or a 17 in here and you want it to be suppressed i would be mindful of the diameter of your suppressor
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): because
Nick (reference, not reviewed): you know like i said mine mine doesn't fit
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um but
Nick (reference, not reviewed): yeah like overall
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): overall
Nick (reference, not reviewed): it is a cool little chassis um
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i
Nick (reference, not reviewed): don't think that i've used any of these that were like
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh
Nick (reference, not reviewed): that were perfect
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you
Nick (reference, not reviewed): know
Nick (reference, not reviewed): yeah i
Nick (reference, not reviewed): think that every one of these pistol chassis conversions um
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you
Nick (reference, not reviewed): are still forcing a handgun into a role that it was not meant for and so it's never going to be like
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): perfect
Nick (reference, not reviewed): or awesome
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): or
Nick (reference, not reviewed): the best or whatever but it's like an affordable way to create some sort of pdw thing um i also have a recover 2020 that i've been comparing it to
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um and
Nick (reference, not reviewed): i'm not sure which one i like more i think they have pros and cons
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): the
Nick (reference, not reviewed): recover is a lot lighter and more compact and streamlined
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and
Nick (reference, not reviewed): you don't have to change the uh setup of the pistol
Nick (reference, not reviewed): you
Nick (reference, not reviewed): know like i had to take sights and red dot off
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um so
Nick (reference, not reviewed): with the recover you don't have to do that stuff it's also more of a pain to install in the recover
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um
Nick (reference, not reviewed): because it's a screw so you need a tool
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um i
Nick (reference, not reviewed): do have some concerns about about the durability of this brace
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um
Nick (reference, not reviewed): the way that the rails are retained is with a pretty small screw
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and
Nick (reference, not reviewed): i noticed on the ones that they had at the range um that the screws were starting to actually like bend forward
Nick (reference, not reviewed): and pull out
Nick (reference, not reviewed): of the out of the holes um and i've noticed that mine have started to lean just a little bit
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): interesting
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um so
Nick (reference, not reviewed): we'll see how that holds up
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh
Nick (reference, not reviewed): yeah overall i mean shooting it is fine um i know some people have expressed with stuff like the recover or the uh flux where the top is open and you can see the slide moving
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um
Nick (reference, not reviewed): or some of the fluxes
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh
Nick (reference, not reviewed): some people have experienced like talked about how it's disconcerting having the slide come back at your face like that because you're closer than you would be if you had your arms outstretched
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um
Nick (reference, not reviewed): that hasn't really like
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): maybe
Nick (reference, not reviewed): the first time or two i was like oh but it that hasn't really bugged me same
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um i
Nick (reference, not reviewed): would say though the nice thing is that if you have this if you have your pistol in a nearly stock configuration um like you don't have a uh an optic or anything or tall sights
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um
Nick (reference, not reviewed): i think that this is a cooler setup because you can put your your optic on it and leave it and you could have flashlights and doodads and stuff on here and have it kitted out and ready to go and then
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): if
Nick (reference, not reviewed): you run like a relatively slick carry gun or something. You could jam it in here pretty fast.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Can
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): I jelly it in there?
Nick (reference, not reviewed): Yeah, you could probably jelly it in.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Okay, good.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Just
Nick (reference, not reviewed): checking for a minute.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): And
Nick (reference, not reviewed): as far as the suppressor diameter, I don't know if you guys can see this, but there's a screw that goes through the top of the
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): chassis
Nick (reference, not reviewed): right here to hold the two halves together.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and
Nick (reference, not reviewed): it really limits the diameter so I'm I'm not exactly sure what will fit in there that'd be a skinny little bitch
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): but
Nick (reference, not reviewed): yeah it would have to be it would have to be pretty small I don't know if you guys can see in there yeah
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): let's see Lenny said the no red dot kills it for him but I mean like you have a red dot up top
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): it's
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): just like
Nick (reference, not reviewed): yeah
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah
Nick (reference, not reviewed): but at the same time the whole idea is that you
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): this
Nick (reference, not reviewed): is designed to be able to easily remove the pistol
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah you
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): almost need
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): like a pistol
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): that you just have for that or a slide that you just have for that
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): right
Nick (reference, not reviewed): but then that kind of defeats the purpose of being able to quickly remove the pistol
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): totally um and
Nick (reference, not reviewed): from well let's see just roughly from the middle of the bore let's say
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): to
Nick (reference, not reviewed): the top of that screw i am getting
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): point like i'd
Nick (reference, not reviewed): call it 0.75
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): so roughly
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): 1.5 which no suppressors are that skinny
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah
Nick (reference, not reviewed): um probably a little less than that because it's going to tilt up well actually a lot less than that because it's going to tilt up when the um barrel tilts
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): so
Nick (reference, not reviewed): you need you need something really skinny or some sort of an extension
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um i
Nick (reference, not reviewed): think i think you'd walked away but i was saying that i've i've got a second glock 17 frame
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and
Nick (reference, not reviewed): i've wanted an excuse for a 34 slide and barrel for quite a while
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): so
Nick (reference, not reviewed): this this might be my my excuse to get
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you
Nick (reference, not reviewed): know the muzzle out from here so that i can put a can on it
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): have a 17 long slide
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): but not a
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): threaded barrel
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): mean dude at that point it's fucking rifle
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah
Nick (reference, not reviewed): the 17l is awesome it's so ridiculous
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): actually
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): no i take that back mine does have a threaded barrel it's it's like
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): nine
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): inches or badass seven inches i don't know it's crazy
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): you
Nick (reference, not reviewed): don't uh you don't you don't want to get rid of it no
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): damn it
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): actually love that thing
Nick (reference, not reviewed): uh but yeah i
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i
Nick (reference, not reviewed): don't know i'm gonna i'm gonna play with it some more um i've shot a couple mags through it just in like i said in the in the backyard
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um so
Nick (reference, not reviewed): i it is another um another one that i need to get out to the range and shoot this and isu and a couple other things
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um
Nick (reference, not reviewed): and do like a proper proper range day
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh i
Nick (reference, not reviewed): would say that currently
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i
Nick (reference, not reviewed): am kind of lukewarm on it i don't hate it
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): but
Nick (reference, not reviewed): i'm also not like in love with it
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah i thought it was
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): so cool in the beginning and then the more that i messed with it
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): honestly like
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): so
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): i got mine a couple months before goals told him immediately hey
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): just
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): FYI your sites are on backwards it kind of like makes you guys look amateurish
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah
Nick (reference, not reviewed): the sites to come out of the box that was one of the first things i did when i got home was flip the sites around
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): then to get to goals where they're handing these things out like fucking candy to creators
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and they're
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): all still installed backwards i'm just like okay you guys are fucking idiots
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you
Nick (reference, not reviewed): know and yeah they they did give me this this was a uh
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): a
Nick (reference, not reviewed): free thing i did not pay for it
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um and
Nick (reference, not reviewed): yeah i uh
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): they
Nick (reference, not reviewed): handed them out i i assume that they shipped this way um but they came in a like a case
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um
Nick (reference, not reviewed): like a relatively good sized case and it's actually like a pretty nice case
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): oh
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): yeah i took the foam out
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): i
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): have it for other stuff now
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i
Nick (reference, not reviewed): saw so many people walking around with them
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): they did
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um the
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): product is the product is okay the company i don't like at all
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um yeah it's
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): unfortunate but but like you know it's a fun thing
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): now
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): the question have you have you played with it enough to be like oh if i absolutely had to buy one of these would i get the caa or the kiro morph or the recover tactical
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): if
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): you like had
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): right
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): now one
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): for
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): the rest of your life you can only have one
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): what
Nick (reference, not reviewed): are you picking
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): between
Nick (reference, not reviewed): this and the recover
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and like the ca which they're
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): awful i there shouldn't even be a category
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i
Nick (reference, not reviewed): i haven't used those really um like beyond just like messing with them in a gun shop
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um
Nick (reference, not reviewed): let's see it looks like These are selling for like $3.50.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I
Nick (reference, not reviewed): think a Recover 2020 is like
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): 150
Nick (reference, not reviewed): bucks, 120 bucks. Yeah. Something like that.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I
Nick (reference, not reviewed): have I have bitched about my
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): stuff
Nick (reference, not reviewed): with Recover.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Yeah. Oh, yeah. passed uh
Nick (reference, not reviewed): but honestly um no a recover 2020 starts at 100 bucks honestly if i was gonna buy one tomorrow and i was spending
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you
Nick (reference, not reviewed): know real real money on it i i would probably go with the recover because it is significantly cheaper and i don't think that it is significantly worse
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah um
Nick (reference, not reviewed): it also allows you to leave the gun in whatever configuration you have it in
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): even
Nick (reference, not reviewed): though it is like
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): a
Nick (reference, not reviewed): little bit more annoying to put the gun in and take the gun out
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um
Nick (reference, not reviewed): it's and and it is kind of wobbly and stuff which this is still wobbly too it's got some some wobble on the uh rails on the brace which is is pretty typical for this style of uh
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): like
Nick (reference, not reviewed): this style of brace or stock you know like it that's normal yeah
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um
Nick (reference, not reviewed): so that's not like a knock on this i'm just saying that it's not anymore
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh
Nick (reference, not reviewed): i don't feel like the recover is any less stable
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um but
Nick (reference, not reviewed): uh but yeah i i i would probably go with the recover
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i
Nick (reference, not reviewed): would too
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): also
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): that one does not work with
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): a
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): guac switch
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): oh
Nick (reference, not reviewed): yeah yeah there's um because it's got the cover that goes over the back of it yep
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah
Nick (reference, not reviewed): i hadn't thought about that and yeah and there's not really much room back here either
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um
Nick (reference, not reviewed): and i can i can shoot suppressed with the uh the recover so
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): true
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): true
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): all
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): right cool
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): man
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): well i look forward to hearing updates as you play with it more
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): hell
Nick (reference, not reviewed): yeah
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): oh
Nick (reference, not reviewed): i will say one thing about the recover though is that they make you buy like every accessory separately they're like oh you want to put side rails on it for a flashlight well
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): that's
Nick (reference, not reviewed): separate right you you decided that you want an optic mounted to the chassis that doesn't move under recoil that's also separate
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um
Nick (reference, not reviewed): bastards so you know
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): they're
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): nickel and diamond us
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): i
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): saw an
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): article over at the fire home blog talking about like the resurgence of revolvers and guess what furniture the revolver in question the revolvers in question were running well you guessed it midwest industries uh what are the outlaw fuck
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): totally just drew a blank on what uh
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): their
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): revolver setups are called
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i'm
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): looking i'm waiting for the ad to play
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): bounty hunter damn it yeah the bounty hunter series uh by the way they have those for the upper rhino as well which i have been very very very much considering so the bounder bounder bounty
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): it's
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): really easy to say apparently the bounty hunter series basically has that either stock or brace that you can attach to your you know your big bore or your big caliber or even just your big frame revolvers and seems like people are really enjoying those i saw tactical considerations posting a bunch of stuff with his and they really are a lot of fun uh nick was just talking about the cura morph which basically takes a gun that you already own and allows you to change it up and make it different and you know and fun and cool and that's a lot what the bounty hunter series is for midwest
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): industries um so if you're interested if you have like a big revolver uh and it doesn't have to be a big revolver they make them for a bunch of different stuff but if you have a revolver that you want to breathe second life into uh this is a great way to do it and you can get ar stuff lever action stuff mp5 stuff ak stuff and tons of different optic mounts all from midwestindustries.com sorry midwestindustries inc inc.com coupon code wls is life and uh i think
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): i think it's driving a lot of uh people to take
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): another look
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): do they have that for the anaconda
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): let
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): me look because i don't recall off the top of my head
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): because
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i'm
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): just saying like one of
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): one
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): of those with for one of these would be
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): i'm looking right now shot
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): eight
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): eight inch anaconda blued
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): think would be
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): They
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): have them for the Python and the Anaconda. Nice.
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): Yeah.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Like the Chiapa Rhino, Ruger GP100, Super Blackhawk.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): That'd
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): be kind of cool on like a Super.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): They
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): got the Super Redhawk too.
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): The Super Redhawk with, well, Super Redhawks weren't ugly as fuck, but, or like a Redhawk with,
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): they
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): made they used to make was it red hawk or super red hawk that had like the 10 and a half or 11 and a half inch barrel
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): oh
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): fuck i don't but
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): how cool would that be put
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): a fucking scope on it with a fucking brace or shoulder stock
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): it
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): would be
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): fucking
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): amazing
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): it'd
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): be fucking tits is what it would be
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): now
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): i kind of want to put one on my uh on my python
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): just got a python a couple of months ago and i kind of want to put one or at least have the option
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah you
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): know yeah they they just they look really cool i know that everything's blurred out sorry gotta do it
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): but yeah they're just they're really cool they're really fun uh the price isn't bad at all and again you get 10 off by using our code wls's life um yeah they're just a really good time fun product and you know one that's like really surprising just to see a company come out with i didn't even think i never once thought hey i really want that but then the second i saw it i was like yep gotta have that
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): with
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): the fucking well smith makes that they do one for the next frame and smith makes a 460 with a threaded barrel
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): so
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): you could get a bowers dreadnought
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): oh
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): yeah 100
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): on
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): that with the shoulder stock with a fucking uh and actually uh with that you could run an lpvo you wouldn't even have to run a a pistol scope because it's going to put it
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): in
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): the eye box
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): dude
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): i know i'm
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): telling you god i wish
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): i had more money
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): one
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): thing i like about the chiapa is that it's got the rail on top so you could put a red dot or whatever on there
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): oh
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): it's cool you know what else is cool guys
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): well
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): i'm just gonna tell
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): you if
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): peeing your pants is cool call me miles davis exactly you're cool
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): hey
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): nick you're cool
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): okay
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): i found it i found it i was looking for a thing uh and i found it so you're lucky
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): it
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): is time for bang rank your favorite thing to get mad about if you're watching live you can scan
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): the qr code so you can vote along with the cast we uh after every episode i open voting for
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): audio
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): listeners uh to go do their vote so last week's biggest gun flops and the audio listeners uh rated the r51 an a the taurus curve hudson h9 and zip 22 a b the armatix ip1 kirakal c and the cult all american 2000 a c and the boberg xr9 as the d they didn't think that was very much of a flop but the remington r51 they rated the highest and that's
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): for uh audio listeners after the fact every week you can go to we like shooting.com slash dashboard click on bang rank and vote uh so you can have your voice heard but tonight guys i've got
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): you know you
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): know what's fucked up about that
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): what's
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): that
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): we we did that and then literally like two days later at the store somebody walked in with a remington r51 asking if i could fix it with its dead trigger what and i was like no and then i actually like i opened it up and was trying to like see if i could figure out how it worked and i was like oh this is i'm like why did they design it this way this is retarded it was bad i was like no see if remington warranty it i'm not touching
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): it
Nick (reference, not reviewed): yeah i saw one on instagram today that somebody had cut for a red dot and then they made a rail so they had a flashlight on it and then
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): cut
Nick (reference, not reviewed): a slot in the slide and comped it reported it
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and
Nick (reference, not reviewed): it was it was ridiculous
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): that is crazy crazy to me
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): the
Nick (reference, not reviewed): dumb shit that I would do if I had
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): a a
Nick (reference, not reviewed): milling machine exactly
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): in
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): my home
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): sure
Nick (reference, not reviewed): yeah you want to send it over
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): no
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): come on out and see me you can use it as much as you want
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): there you go for
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): the low, low cost
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): of
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): $12 a minute. Okay, so tonight, dumbest gun snob takes... Uh,
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): don't remember what it was, but I was, I was on X or something and
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): just see people say the dumbest shit with the most confidence and it just kind of drives me nuts. Uh,
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): so
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): here's some that I think are some of the dumbest gums gun snob takes. And we're going to rank these like the dumber we think it is, the higher it'll be. And this ranks from S for like supreme or superior and then abcdf just like letter grades so the dumbest thing will be an s the least dumb thing will be an f so tonight we have dumbest gun snob takes your budget rifle is just a range toy chinese optics are automatically junk
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): haven't earned a red dot until you master irons modify your carry gun and you're going to go to jail friend competition shooting to get you killed in the streets
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): one
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): i've been seeing a lot lately if you don't have a practice score page you ain't shit
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): then number seven mil spec just means it's the best
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): now i found literal examples
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): of every single one of these posted within
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): the last two
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): weeks.
Nick (reference, not reviewed): These are all S tier.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): It is crazy. So like I see in the chat, Alor says define budget. Are we talking BCA? I think originally I had it as PSA, but I didn't want to just narrow it down to one brand. So, you know, like the,
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): know, the PSA budget level, whatever I think is the thing. So anyway, that's what we're going to do. Jeremy you can play as you choose, but we're going to start off with your budget rifle is just a range toy and i will start off with you jeremy
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): know i'm trying to place all of these in my head yep because i can only go
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): i so the dumbest ones go to s
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): so the rank each take by how dumb and snobbish it is s is peak gun snob nonsense f is a take you might actually agree with
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): i'm gonna put um
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i'm
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): gonna put this one
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): as
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): a d
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): a
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): d all
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): right because
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): i have seen rifles go down and break like i watch people shoot guns all the time
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): and it's not to say that like these things can't work but the way i explain it to people is
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): if
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): you have two companies that take a thousand that make say a thousand rifles a day right
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): and one inspector can check 10 guns a day and one company hires one inspector and one company hires 10 inspectors so the company that hires 10 inspectors is going to check uh 100 rifles a day and the one is only going to check 10 out of a thousand and one's going to check you know 10 percent one's going to check one percent the though and then some company out there is going to hire 100 of them and check all of them right yeah but the price for their
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): salaries is going to get amortized into all of the gun not the microwave
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): i literally talked to my hands and smack my mic and it went um
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): so
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): it's not that it's not that a cheap rifle is going to break it's that the quality control aspect of cheaper guns is usually um you have a higher likelihood of it having an issue um and if what's your cost of failure uh if your cost of failure is a bad range day then i don't give a shit if your cost of failure is going to be you die then i would probably go with something a little bit better it's not to
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): say like don't have a budget gun i have lots of budget guns but like it's not the gun that i'm going to choose if i have another option to go into a deadly scenario
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah i
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): mean you can buy the budget one and put it through its paces and then be like positive that it's work but like we had a guy uh with various anderson psa's bear just don't buy bear creek um
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): it's
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): the only one i'll make fun of you for buying but we had a guy with a palmetto state armory uh rifle a couple years ago walked out first five rounds his his bolt cracked in half jesus five rounds it was heat treated improperly um because it wasn't inspected properly properly. Um, I doubt they're inspecting every, um, I doubt they're inspecting, you know, every rifle that comes off their line. Um, and
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): so
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): that, so it's not necessarily true,
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): but
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): it's going to be more true than a lot of these.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): i i am exactly with jeremy on this one fucking d for me i have listen i have fucking 2500 rifles that suck ass and 400 rifles that are pretty fucking great uh everything jeremy said i agree with nick
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh
Nick (reference, not reviewed): i i totally agree it can be true there are budget oriented rifles that are not bad
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um but
Nick (reference, not reviewed): but yeah one of the things that you pay for typically is
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): qc um and
Nick (reference, not reviewed): yeah there are a lot of cheap rifles that i would not trust
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah uh
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): so what's your rating
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um
Nick (reference, not reviewed): i am gonna say
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah
Nick (reference, not reviewed): i i agree i'm gonna say d
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): okay
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): uh savage has popped out for a second looks like he's having trouble but that uh that'll throw it to a d for right now as savage as soon as he gets back
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): he's
Nick (reference, not reviewed): literally shaking right now
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): savage are you back
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i'm
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): trying to
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): be what
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): well
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): if
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): you can't if you can't be that's fine too
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): what
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): uh
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): can
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): you hear me yeah yeah we
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): can see see
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): see okay
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): let
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): me go ahead and put that's not going to change the the d ranking on this one uh but
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): mean like look at look at like the i mean i know we're talking there's bear creek arsenal is involved too
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): but like
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): the quality level of basic bitch ars has improved over the years i think
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): compared
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): to what it used to be
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): 100 i would
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah i would say it's better they're better now than they used to be
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): yeah
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): next one chinese optics are automatically junk i i see this one still to this day literally like i said i found posts for every one of these within the last two weeks and i gotta say some of the shittiest optics i've seen recently are american made and i just i think that uh
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): genuinely think that so many companies are doing really good stuff with the optics that are made in china and i've been able to shoot so many of them uh like
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): it's
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): just it's crazy this for me is my f i think it's the dumbest shit
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): out
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): there i think that you can have cheap shit that comes from china but i think that if you have a company and they they care about the product that they put out like you can get really good results out of it
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): nick
Nick (reference, not reviewed): um
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you
Nick (reference, not reviewed): said you're giving this one an f
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yes
Nick (reference, not reviewed): doesn't that mean that it's true wait
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): s oh
Nick (reference, not reviewed): okay
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yes
Nick (reference, not reviewed): yes um
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i
Nick (reference, not reviewed): am gonna say
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): a
Nick (reference, not reviewed): because there is some absolute trash that comes out of china of course
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah and
Nick (reference, not reviewed): i would say that there is more trash that comes out of china than everywhere anywhere else
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh
Nick (reference, not reviewed): but
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): there's
Nick (reference, not reviewed): also a lot of stuff that is pretty good that comes out of china
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): although
Nick (reference, not reviewed): i don't think china is necessarily making the best
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um
Nick (reference, not reviewed): but i think that they are making some stuff that is
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): good agree
Nick (reference, not reviewed): you know like it's budget friendly or
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah
Nick (reference, not reviewed): i think they make stuff that that
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): is
Nick (reference, not reviewed): functional
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and
Nick (reference, not reviewed): and reliable
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah
Nick (reference, not reviewed): good for the price
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): savage oh
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): hold savage
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i was
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): gonna say it depends it really depends because like obviously a lot of stuff that has been coming out lately has been good but it depends where you're shopping from because if you team with that shit it is going to mostly be absolute shit so i'm kind of in the b
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): all
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): right savage says b jeremy
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i've
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): said this before i'll say it again when applying to china and turkey and a lot of places where labor is cheap um
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): they
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): can make
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): they
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): have the ability to make good stuff it's just that most people don't pay them
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): to
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): make good stuff and if they're doing it on their own they're definitely not going to make good stuff. Um,
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): know, why is it so cheap? Well, it's hard to compete with slave labor, plain and simple. Um,
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): most shit that comes out of China is garbage because nobody actually cares what they sell. They just want
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): to
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): sell something.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): but
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): if you're like hey no we needed to do xyz then yeah they they are capable of it it's just that most people don't
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): so they're not automatically junk but i can understand why
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): people
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): take it with a grain of salt especially traditionally it used to be japan
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): back in the 80s
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): if
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): something was made in japan you're like i don't know first in the 70s you were like oh fucking japanese piece of shit and then they got their shit together uh when we started trading with china back in the day it was a lot more like that you're like oh fucking like anything made in china you were just like don't even bother
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): right they've
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): gotten their shit together on some stuff other stuff they haven't
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): well
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): i like i said i think it has a lot to do with just the company that you know on the u.s side you know if they care about their shit then it'll be good if they don't then it can be bad
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): right
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): so it's one of those things so trying to think s is this is complete bullshit and f is i kind of agree with it yeah or i mostly agree with it yeah um
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i'm
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): gonna put this at a
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i'm
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): gonna put this at a b
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): which
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): is gonna average average this out to an a overall
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): okay
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): here we go starting off with jeremy on this one but i've heard
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): some
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): gun snobs be like look you haven't earned a red dot until you master irons
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): jeremy
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): um yeah
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you're
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): gonna call me a fud um
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): think that
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): don't like the way the questions were the way the questions worded is stupid
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): do think iron i think i do think fundamentally you should learn how to use iron sights not necessarily before you get a red dot but at some goddamn point
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): you should learn how to use a red dot or use a fucking use your iron sights um
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): not
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): as they become so prevalent they've just become your
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): the
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): sights you know i mean but they are electronics they do go down knowing how to use your iron sights would be smart to do
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um like because
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): it's not the same thing
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): it's
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): not
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): so
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): i'm gonna put this at a c
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): at
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): a c all right
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): savage
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): it's not a fucking black belt
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): know there's no like iron sights or white belt and you can't get a black belt until you learn the white belt level stuff it's just a different way of viewing things it's
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i'm closer to a just because i mean like yeah you should like jimmy saying yeah you should learn how to use iron sights but you don't have to like if a red works fine for you fucking use it
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): all
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): right a
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yep
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): all right
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): nick
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um i'm
Nick (reference, not reviewed): gonna i'm gonna say a as well i think that uh
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah
Nick (reference, not reviewed): i i agree i think that you should learn to use iron sights it's a good good skill to have you you should know that
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): however um
Nick (reference, not reviewed): there are also people who are like i just want a gun to be able to protect myself or whatever and like they don't care they're going to put minimal effort into it
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um and
Nick (reference, not reviewed): for those people
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i
Nick (reference, not reviewed): think they should have the most effective tool possible and i think a red dot is more effective than irons um
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and
Nick (reference, not reviewed): if they're only going to have a limited amount of practice time then they
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): they
Nick (reference, not reviewed): should have the most effective setup that they can and they should be practicing with that setup
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Um,
Nick (reference, not reviewed): so I would go, I would go red dot.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Yeah. I am with Jeremy on this one.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): used to be hardcore. You know, you don't, you don't, if you can't handle me my worst, you don't deserve me at my best.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): used to very much be like, you need to master iron irons before you do anything else. And then, you know, you'll learn more, you get more comfortable shooting red dot. You actually take some red dot classes. You like, you know, just learn how to do it.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): then it's like okay well maybe you know maybe it's not that important like
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): for
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): me like if i'm teaching someone in my family or a friend or something i'll be like yeah like figure out the iron sights then we'll go to red dots because they're two different unique fundamental skills i think they're both important but i'm like just somewhere in the middle i think i don't think it's mandatory i also don't think that there's nothing to it so i'm kind of right in the middle which is going to average us out to a b for that one
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): so
Nick (reference, not reviewed): this this reminded me of a conversation that i had um when i put my first red dot on a pistol
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um
Nick (reference, not reviewed): and then you and i went to the range and that was back in the jcaa days so we had lots of ammo and we were doing lots of shooting
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and
Nick (reference, not reviewed): um
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): the
Nick (reference, not reviewed): next week i was at work and i was talking to a co-worker about how uh you know like i'd gotten this red dot and put it on a pistol and i was really excited about it
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and
Nick (reference, not reviewed): um he uh
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): he
Nick (reference, not reviewed): was kind of an interesting interesting guy but he started in on the like well you know red dots are just hiding bad habits and um
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and
Nick (reference, not reviewed): really like you're not you're not a better shooter because you have a red dot and um it was very uh
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): it
Nick (reference, not reviewed): was very negative on the whole thing and i was like no i i feel like i have a pretty good handle on the iron sights and and i shoot a little faster with the the red dot and you know you're not worried about side alignment or anything like you just put the dot on the
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): anyway
Nick (reference, not reviewed): so we're going back and forth and um
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): he
Nick (reference, not reviewed): was like well you went and shot it last weekend and i was like yeah and he was like well how many how many rounds did you put through it
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and
Nick (reference, not reviewed): um or did you shoot with it
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and
Nick (reference, not reviewed): i was like uh about 3 000
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and
Nick (reference, not reviewed): he just goes oh
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): okay
Nick (reference, not reviewed): and that was just like the end of the end of the conversation
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): damn uh
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): it is crazy people get so adamant about that so confident too without having much experience outside their own you know a hundred rounds a year uh next up dumbest gun snob take modify your carry gun you're going to go to jail sonny
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i'll
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): start this one like
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): sean
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): maloney from second call defense has said it best many times
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): when
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): he says that a prosecutor is going to go after you for anything they possibly can but a good defense attorney is going to be able to shut a lot of that dumb shit down and this is exactly one of those things
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um for
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): me
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): it's
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): a b it's like pretty high up there pretty pretty bad overall like they may attack you for it they may try to grind you down on it but you know if you have a good attorney like
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): know they're going to be able to shut that shit down pretty quick like upgrading your trigger so that you can shoot a little better faster more accurately is it doesn't mean that you wanted to cause somebody harm savage
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): like
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i mean
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): 99
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): of the time this would probably be like a or s tier unless like somebody did something absolutely fucking ridiculous with their trigger that made it unsafe anything that
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): would specifically sorry
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): that made me think of something
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): anything that would specifically make the gun
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): negligently discharge or even accidentally discharge would might but that's pretty a high by to get high bar to get to for most people i think so i'm gonna go a
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): jeremy i
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): i just had a gentleman uh
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): come
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): in the store and um
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): he
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): had a uh negligent discharge
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): oof in
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): city limits
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): oof into
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): his leg oof
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): while
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): he was in his car ah
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): And
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): part of the court-ordered rectification.
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): Modification so he didn't get like a felony and go to jail
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): was
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): the gun had to be put back to stock.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Wow.
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): Because he had an FRT in it with no slide catch and,
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): know, a bunch of other modifications. And so he brought it down. had to order a slide catch and a factory trigger to put back in the gun. And then we had to write a letter to the court stating that we performed repairs on the firearm to put it back to its factory configurations with an OEM trigger from Glock and an ambidextrous slide catch that mirrors the
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): factory slide catch. holy shit
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): know I did just mention Sean Maloney but like second call defense does cover you in cases of you know accidental discharge stuff like that so we like shooting.com slash scd think about it
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): so I
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): would also say this is up there in lists of stupid shit that that
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): in
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): lists of stupid boomer it
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): but
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): like most things that boomers say there's some truth to it it's just from when they were children
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): it made a lot more you know they didn't have the self-defense laws that we have
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): now
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): they didn't have any of the stand your ground and the castle doctrine and like it was it i had a customer that killed he's like i killed a man in 1973 or 79 or 76 or something he's a truck driver
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): guy
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): tried to hijack his load he shot him right in the chest three times in the 1911
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): damn he
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): got delayed every time he tried to buy a firearm and what he had on his record was a homicide but it was a justifiable homicide that was the terminology for the day
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): so when they ran the next background check on him fucking homicide
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): just
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): justifiable
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): that's he never got he never
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): got charged he never got convicted but like that shit like justifiable homicide was the wording and um
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): so like i get why they still like they just haven't kept up to date on a lot of that stuff um it's and it's right up there with always clean your guns after every time you shoot it and don't try fire guns because you'll damage it and you know a lot of other boomer lore that has has a place in history it just doesn't apply to most modern firearms
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): yeah but
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): if you ever fired a black powder gun knows you shoot that thing one time you better fucking clean it
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): makes sense man
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): because
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): black powder will fuck your shit up tonight like you will wake up in the goddamn morning and your barrel will be rust bucket
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): oh
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): yeah same with like uh corrosive ammo and shit like it
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): will fuck your shit up it
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): will fuck your day up and your gun right and guns back in the day were a lot you know they were not as mass produced as they are nowadays so like you know if you had a black powder rifle and that's why you hunted for your family and the fucking kid took it out and went deer hunting and didn't clean the goddamn thing
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): he
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): was going to fuck up a family heirloom and it was the only gun in the house right and you couldn't afford another one so clean the fucking gun every time you shoot it and then my grandpa's grandpa was boom you're writing black powder days like I get that how
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): did we get here
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): ADHD brain
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): anyway modify your carry gun and you're going to jail
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): I'll put that in an A
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Nick
Nick (reference, not reviewed): I'm going to give that one S tier that is uh top tier boomer um
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): wow
Nick (reference, not reviewed): what's that guy's name masada uh
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): masada whatever
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah
Nick (reference, not reviewed): that's that's uh that is top tier
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): fud
Nick (reference, not reviewed): lore
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): oh
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): man okay next up nick you'll start off on this one competition shooting will get you killed in the streets
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i'm
Nick (reference, not reviewed): gonna give that one
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): on
Nick (reference, not reviewed): a
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): an
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): a for nick for me
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): it's
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): an s i know i already used us but i gotta use something twice uh jeremy
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): this
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): is a loaded question
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): it
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): really is but i mean like
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): like
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): what competition national match shooting
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): no That'll
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): get you killed in a handgun fight.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Action sports, fucking USPSA,
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): IPSC, stuff like that. And I'm just like, if you fucking...
Nick (reference, not reviewed): yes. You're not allowed to drop that magazine. It still has ammo in it.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): But
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): I think there's even room for that. I think that's like a useful thing in some situations and occurrences. But listen,
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): if
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): you fucking... If you see a threat, you have to engage with the threat.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): fucking
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): shoot
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): three rounds and then drop your magazine and show clear you got bigger fucking problems than just you know being in a competition you're you're a fucking retard and if you can't like differentiate if you if you practice so much that like your body just does automatic things you're a dipshit retard and yeah but the
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): people that
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): say this i just like stop man
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i'm i'm
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): coming in like if you try to clear a room like you clear a shooting match you'll get fucking smoked
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): right you're good
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): but listen if you try to clear a room like you would shoot a uspsa stage
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): know honestly the world's a better place
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): like
Nick (reference, not reviewed): i i think that you can develop uh bad habits
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um
Nick (reference, not reviewed): you know like there are things that are like gamer specific
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and
Nick (reference, not reviewed): you can potentially develop bad habits but also it doesn't take that much work to like not just like be aware of it
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): right
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): yeah
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): yeah i mean it's one of those things where it's like if all yeah i mean it's like one of those you know no good uh fucking bob from gideon is literally down here saying what i'm thinking you know no moving behind cover to reload uh you know like if your only idea of what a gunfight is going to be like is a fucking epa match like you're going to get fucking killed it will
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): because
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): you're not going to do the things that you should be doing if you're now the other flip side of that is you're probably not going to get into a fucking gun flight where any of that is actually going to fucking matter right you're hey bang bang and it's going to be fucking over and you're gonna go oh my god what the fuck just happened uh i believe i've shat myself so like
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): that
Nick (reference, not reviewed): and and matches are just an excellent way to test skill and equipment and you know
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): right all of that so it's
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): like on one hand yes i think i think various types of shooting matches can reinforce bad you know tactics but on the other hand like it's really good at getting on target quickly and like it's putting those practical skill but there's you you can't make like clearing a room properly
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): seem
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): like a like there's no way to do that
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): like
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): and win a match
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): like
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): you're gonna fucking lose right because you're gonna be way more yeah
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): unless
Nick (reference, not reviewed): it's a force on force match
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): think you know i think two-way range i think the thing here is that you need to consider like you can train all day every day and honestly your shooting skills are going to be pretty fucking great if you train competition stuff but at the same time you can't completely neglect you know the well i mean you can but you shouldn't completely neglect you know what firearms are actually for uh which is self-defense which is all those things and if you apply thought to both
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): of those things, then you'll probably respond in a way that sounds reasonable because ultimately my favorite quote,
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): the,
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): the body can't go where the mind has never been. So if all you do is competition, USPSA competition, IPSC competition, competition, that's all you think about. That's all you do. Then probably perhaps you might actually, uh, just do terribly in a, in a live confrontation. But if you've thought about it, if you've considered it if you uh put the you know put the effort into at least considering how you might react you'll probably be just fine with some pretty great shooting skills
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): i agree with like i agree with everybody saying like yes draw aim fire on target very quickly very effective in oh shit situations but then i remember like remember top shot the show yeah
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): there
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): were dudes on there that were like
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): like
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): they you know it was like all aspects of shooting it was it was various disciplines they handed a guy a shotgun one time and he was like i've never shot one of these i don't know how to use it
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): he
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): had no clue how to run a fucking shotgun he's like i've only ever shot handguns had no idea how to run a pistol or a rifle or yeah
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i
Nick (reference, not reviewed): think
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): that's I remember
Nick (reference, not reviewed): one where they were like. Like, I only shoot Beretta, and this is a Glock, and I don't know what to do with it.
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): Yeah, like,
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): completely
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): fucking clueless as to how to use a long gun. Like, completely. And then one later season, they got, like, bow and arrow and shit into it.
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): Oh, yeah.
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): Like, what the fuck? I've never got a bow in my life. But, like, I know that's going to happen to some people. There are going to be some people that I shoot two gun matches, and that's what I shoot. and i've shot you know i've shot ipsic for 30 years
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): gotta use a uspsa grandmaster
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): he's never picked up anything but a competition pistol
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): yeah
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): like it exists oh like
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i think it's more
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): common than you think
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i'm
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): not gonna shit on a fucking uspsa grandmaster like i've watched a couple of them shooting you're like god damn that's fucking impressive but yeah
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): like
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): i'm good but i'm not that good
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): rank it jeremy
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh do
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): i get a double on this one
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): oh
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): yeah
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): okay
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): i didn't know how many total there were
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): seven uh
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): i'm gonna put this at a b
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): a
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): b savage
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): s
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): that's
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): pretty easy
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): s i think i mean again like are you gonna be trained exactly in how to clear a room no are you gonna have better reflexes training as often as they do in those situations with familiar guns to be able to take care of some shit that happens in the street yeah
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): so
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): it's flood lore
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): okay so this one is one that i'm seeing a lot lately if you share the mostly on x but if you have any opinion about shooting or you disagree with anything that anybody says even reno may is like very guilty of this one it's like oh show us your practice score so practice score for those that don't know is basically the uspsa or just competition shooting in general uh record scoring system of anything and while i think that i mean clearly it's valid
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): like clearly it shows that you're out there you're doing the stuff you're you're making the gains but i don't think that it's a be all end all of shooting skill nor do i think that you should have to have uh
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): a
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): record on this system to have an opinion on shooting or firearms or anything like that uh i think this one personally is like an a savage what do you think
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): well i don't know what practice score is and so it scares me so a
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): nick i'm
Nick (reference, not reviewed): also gonna say a i think that uh practice score can be a way to show skill but it doesn't necessarily like
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you
Nick (reference, not reviewed): know not having practice score doesn't mean you're
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): useless
Nick (reference, not reviewed): agreed
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): jeremy ass
Nick (reference, not reviewed): it's like proving a negative
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): right
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): i haven't used practice score since three gun nation folded and
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): like i
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): have a practice score and i'm pretty sure it still shows me as a c-class shooter which i probably am like
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): don't know
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): then finally mil spec means it's the best sunny
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): nick
Nick (reference, not reviewed): um i am gonna give this one a b i think so there's a
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): this
Nick (reference, not reviewed): this goes both ways
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh
Nick (reference, not reviewed): mil spec does not mean it's the best mil spec means that it was meant that it was made to the specifications set forth by the military literally what it means right
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um
Nick (reference, not reviewed): that does not mean it's the best there there are things that are better however
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh
Nick (reference, not reviewed): i also see a lot of like mil spec just means that it was the cheapest bidder or whatever um and that's also not not necessarily true um and there's a lot of stuff
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): that
Nick (reference, not reviewed): we refer to as mil spec that is not mil spec
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): like
Nick (reference, not reviewed): your your plain jane m4 style psa is not mil spec
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um so
Nick (reference, not reviewed): i'm gonna give this one
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i'm
Nick (reference, not reviewed): gonna put this one right in the middle i'm gonna say c
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): all
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): right c on that one
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): i'm gonna go
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): man
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): it's so hard i wish there was like a b minus
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): but
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): it does force me to go one direction the other i'm gonna go see as well savage
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i'm teetering on b or c i'm leaning towards b
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): jeremy
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): don't want to put it at f because that's the only one i have i think i'm gonna leave that because i don't agree with any of these
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Yeah,
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): I agree.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I'm
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): going to throw this.
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): I'm going to put this as S as well because MILSPEC just means military specification. It does not mean it's the best. It means it's
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): probably
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): perfectly workable within the realms of what the military needs to balance budget and equipment for 3 million people.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): But
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): it doesn't mean it's the best. it just means it's what the military wanted in these parameters that's all it means
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yep
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): what what did you rate that one
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): s
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): s s
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): it's it's it doesn't mean it's the best it means it's
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): military
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): specifications
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah okay
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): damn uh looks like we
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): it
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): looks like we agreed with the listeners on a lot of this stuff let's go ahead and do our ranking open listener voting okay so here we are from uh dumbest to least dumb in our opinions so chinese optics are automatically junk hosts a live viewers b uh s being the dumbest gun snob take modifier carry gun you're going to jail hosts say live viewers b if you don't have a practice score you ain't shit
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): a's all the way across competition shooting will get you killed a's all the way across uh you haven't earned a red dot until you master irons b's all the way across mil spec it means it's the best b's all the way across and a little bit of disagreement on the last one your budget rifle is just a range toy uh
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): host
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): ranking d live viewers b
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): so excuse
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): me um
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): we
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): agreed on a lot but you know that that last one not so much now after this show publishes for like the next week or so if you're listening after the fact go to we like shooting.com slash dashboard and click on bang rank you can submit your own your own votes and whatnot and it will be there if you disagree uh like we want to hear about it so go go submit those rankings so we can hear your thoughts and that's gonna do it for uh this episode of bang rank thanks for everyone
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): playing
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): along having opinions in the chat and uh god damn it gideon optics when's the last time sean drank malort live
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): all
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): right uh that brings us to my next point which is or not even my next point the next thing i'm to say and that is that i'd like to introduce you all to our our newest sponsor stuff and things uh commonly known as stink usa and you know i know you guys have heard about them uh they have done all kinds of crazy projects they're actually great dudes and we have messed with and shot a ton of their stuff and i'm super stoked
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): to have them on board but go uh go check them out stink usa that's st stuff and things inc incorporated usa so stincusa.com and the thing i want to talk about first off is when i asked the guys what they wanted i didn't actually ask savage because he can't he can't have one of these
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): fuck
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): you no actually you didn't reply savage but you can't you know whatever you need
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): no
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i already have one thing from the the dual double trigger dealy
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): oh
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): yeah i forgot all about that
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): the
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): paintball trigger
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): that's when you put that on
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): but yeah when i talked to when i asked jeremy and nick and even myself we all said the carl
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): so
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): what that what that is it's the cam activated reset limiter so if you have some kind of super safety frs um whether for the arc fire from as designs the atrius development frs uh any of those or even the just any kind of hoffman tactical style air 15 super safety
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): any of those
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): it becomes instead of just it is a simulated three round burst
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): so i don't know how many times we've talked about three round burst being like the badassness on the show but this allows you to actually do that if you have some kind of super safety uh pretty simple very straightforward installation uh we have ours on the way we've shot them they're a blast and uh if you would like to grab one for your gun again you can go to stink usa s-t-i-n-c-u-s-a.com And as usual, coupon code WLS's life is going to be. The coupon
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): code for you. And
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): thank
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Shawn (reference, not reviewed): WLS
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): is life.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i
Nick (reference, not reviewed): i have
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): so
Nick (reference, not reviewed): much respect for those guys
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um
Nick (reference, not reviewed): and i'd say what i'm about to say
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): with a
Nick (reference, not reviewed): heart full of love
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): so much love they
Nick (reference, not reviewed): do the dumbest shit
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): oh
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): yeah and
Nick (reference, not reviewed): it's amazing like
Nick (reference, not reviewed): this is they are um
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): basically
Nick (reference, not reviewed): like my dream you know
Nick (reference, not reviewed): yeah if
Nick (reference, not reviewed): if i could do whatever i wanted to do
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i
Nick (reference, not reviewed): would i would do what they do which is whatever they want to do
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um like
Nick (reference, not reviewed): they just the the products that they put out and stuff are so like niche and specific and they don't take themselves too seriously they have a good sense of humor about it they're like yeah uh this is this is dumb but we thought it was really cool so so we did it anyway
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): we made it yeah yeah
Nick (reference, not reviewed): like uh what i can't remember i think it was last year we went to a show and they had a stock that they had made from a caulking gun
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yep
Nick (reference, not reviewed): um and they're like yeah we're probably not going to do anything with it we just thought it was funny and wanted to see if it would work so we made it and it works and here it is and um
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah
Nick (reference, not reviewed): i just i think that is so cool like
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): if
Nick (reference, not reviewed): i could spend my day
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): just coming
Nick (reference, not reviewed): up with whatever i could come up with and then making it
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): like
Nick (reference, not reviewed): what a fucking dream yeah
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): like
Nick (reference, not reviewed): i i am so proud of those guys for what they do and i'm so glad that they exist
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): the same
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): they're
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): they're and they're amazing dudes too they're always a blast
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): oh yeah yeah
Nick (reference, not reviewed): they're great
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): because
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): they don't
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): they
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): also like us they just don't give a shit they just have fun
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): hey
Nick (reference, not reviewed): watch out for that jeep back there
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): anyway yeah go check them out stink usa.com um okay well
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): we
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): are we are
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): at
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): two hours so nick and savage have to fight
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): for
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): whoever
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): uh
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): is gonna go
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i
Nick (reference, not reviewed): can save mine
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): okay i
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): apologize uh nick i
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): did
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): not expect bang ring i now have a good idea of how long bang ring takes i would have skipped
Nick (reference, not reviewed): jeremy
Nick (reference, not reviewed): to do a 40 minute rant
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): in the middle of bang rank i
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): gotta
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): show you how
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): to use a web page
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): i
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): kind of did actually
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): i gotta think out loud bitch
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): so i would have skipped bang rank no problem i just when i looked at the clock i was like oh we have plenty of time for all of it
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): then then we didn't okay so we'll save
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): gunfights for
Nick (reference, not reviewed): next week maybe maybe we alternate
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): no
Nick (reference, not reviewed): no no it's fine we do like a we do one game show per episode and we just change which game show it is
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): okay wait how about
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): this
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): how
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): about this
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): because i had a lot of fun i thought
Nick (reference, not reviewed): i thought bang rank is i think bang rank is a lot of fun i enjoy it
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i
Nick (reference, not reviewed): enjoy the discussion that goes on and i think a lot of it's valuable
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): how
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): about we all try and guess what the theme is for gunfights this week
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): just the
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): theme
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): no
Nick (reference, not reviewed): because i'm gonna no because then i would have to come up with a whole new fucking thing for next week
Nick (reference, not reviewed): next
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): week i won't have to educate people so sorry motherfucker
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i'm
Nick (reference, not reviewed): i'm trying to i'm trying to get out of doing work next week
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): all right
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): we will skip it for tonight and next time i will i will do a better job and skip bang rank uh if
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): we run into
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): time
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): oh
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): it's fine oh sorry
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): it's it's my
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): fault
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): to
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): answer questions
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): it's
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): my fault hey you know what it was good education i think it'll it'll provide value for people oh by the way in addition to the carl you can also get the six round limiter so it'll do six round
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): yeah they
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): make a two a three and i'm waiting for them to come out with a four position
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): that
Nick (reference, not reviewed): would actually be pretty sweet full
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): semi if i can get
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): my hands on a four position i will literally build another m16a2 clone just to throw a four position
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Nick (reference, not reviewed): would be so cool
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Shawn (reference, not reviewed): gideon optic sent a two dollar rumble rant for malort it just says malort i actually did see him say how long has it been since sean drank malort live it's been a while thank god
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Nick (reference, not reviewed): know i'm i'm out and i don't know if i can get it here
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Shawn (reference, not reviewed): i'm sure i can get it i just don't know where
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Nick (reference, not reviewed): don't and i can't order alcohol online
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): really yeah
Nick (reference, not reviewed): we can't ship alcohol to montana from out of state
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): That's crazy.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): It's
Nick (reference, not reviewed): gay.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Savage, going ballistic.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Amagat. Okay. So,
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): pretty
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): cool thing to see starting out the week here. Ed Martin is spinning up a new organization to help those convicted of nonviolent crimes to regain their gun rights. So, former U.S. pardon attorney Ed Martin is launching a new gun rights group aimed at restoring firearm access to Americans convicted of nonviolent crimes. an initiative that seeks to boost conservative turnout in this fall's midterm elections martin who left the justice department last week said the group
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): firearm rights for americans was an idea encouraged by president donald trump uh turning or during their final oval office meeting trump told martin i don't know maybe maybe this is the case but he told him that he wanted to make sure his administration received credit for expanding gun access uh and then martin added that when you turn out second amendment voters they vote right uh you got to go sell that message and
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): mean i'm not gonna lie
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): know this has been
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): the
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): most pro-gun administration ever so that is a very positive thing and it is good to see more things like this happening
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): there's
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): definitely other things to critique but uh i'd say this is definitely a very good thing
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): i i agree that dude's a staunch to a supporter and
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): he's going to be doing a lot of stuff so it will be interesting to see where it goes
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): so good for him good for him sticking up for americans especially again there's so many non-violent felonies that if if people are proving to be you know able to be out in society without committing more crimes and they're not violent i really don't see the problem with restoring those rights so it's just makes sense um
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): this
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): this is an interesting one here uh so i guess we're going back and doing the katano 2.0 except this time it's with new york city or new york uh no new york city uh so the second Circuit says that citizens failed to prove their rights, which is an interesting way of putting it. In a summary order, the Second Circuit affirmed some adjustments for New York City. The panel held
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): that the plaintiffs bore the burden of establishing that stun guns and tasers are in common use for lawful purposes at the first stage of Bruin analysis. So, right off the fucking bat, no, fuck you. katano 2018 established specifically that stun guns were were in common use and the number of 250 000 in circulation at
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): the time was enough for the supreme court to make that determination so this already
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): the
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): second circuit is completely fucking ignoring the supreme court like just blatantly like there is no oh well maybe they interpreted it wrong or a different way or something it's some kind of excuse no they specifically are interpreting it wrong and then
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): they
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): they are you know calling forth bruin like they're they're you know it doesn't really implicate the second amendment so you have to prove all this stuff uh it says here that it fit It then faulted them for failing to introduce sufficient and missable evidence in the district court that allowed the city to win without proving that its ban is consistent with America's historical tradition of firearms regulation. This is not a minor procedural dispute. It determines
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): who must prove what when the government bans an entire category of arm. again say time i'll fucking cover this but under bruin once the second amendment plain text covers a person's conduct the government must justify its restriction of using history not the defendants but if a hostile court inserts common use into the plain text inquiry can force citizens to prove that uh an arm is popular enough before the government carries any constitutional
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): burden But again,
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): this
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): was already fucking decided in state town. So it literally comes down to the second saying, fuck you, the Supreme Court. And this is the shit that just pisses me off. Wow, man.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Yeah.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): don't know how many times I've said it. However, like
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): there
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): is no enforcement arm for the Supreme Court.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Yeah.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): It's
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): the executive
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): branch. And I'm a big believer in states' rights. but at the same time like what i don't i don't know what the answer is i mean i think i
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): when
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): it comes to the bill of rights the second amendment Has been incorporated against the states back in McDonald's a Hillary and again McDonald's. therefore, the Supreme or the Second Amendment at the federal level has more weight than any state ban or whatever. It's again, state shouldn't be able to do this. It's
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): just
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): no. Fuck them.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): We'll
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): see where that one goes.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Yeah.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): All right.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I'm
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): going to skip that one because it's just not that interesting. So there was a 19-year-old
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): who
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): acted in self-defense and killed a Dearborn Mall gunman.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Oh, yeah. I
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): saw this. For some reason,
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): they
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): decided to charge him,
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): which
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): is interesting. So a 19-year-old Michigan man who fatally shot an armed man during a chaotic July shooting at Dearborn Mall has been sentenced to two years of probation for carrying a concealed weapon. Obviously, minimum age is 21. He's 19, but he stopped the fucking shooting. Martinez Long of Oak Park was in Fairlane Town Center in July 3rd when a fight escalated in the gunfire. A person, Cameron Watkins,
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): shot and killed 19-year-old Chianti Seaborn before shooting another person during a struggle. Watkins continued firing inside the mall before Long intervened and fatally shot him, according to prosecutors. Long was not charged for killing Watkins because the authorities determined he acted in self-defense and in defense of others. he was charged with carrying a concealed weapon without a permit because lord knows that's what's fucking important in this
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): situation and um listen to this what this judge says he says i know there was a gunfight at the fair lane mall and lawyers have agreed according to this course evaluation you're acting in self-defense or the defense of others so that's a valid legal defense but the judge followed that acknowledgement with the pointed question why did you walk in a mall with a gun in the first place
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): like i've
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): been
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): judged here's
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): the thing yeah excuse me your honor have you been to a fucking mall you retard
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): like
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): god damn dumb ass so dude i say this all the time like i would rather be judged by 12 than carried by six or whatever like yeah fucking you tell me i can't carry a gun i'm carrying a gun doesn't matter doesn't
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): matter
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): let's help this fucking guy out let's appeal that shit up because there's that guy deserves some defense man seriously
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): mean from the looks of him he looks like a piece of shit however
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): he i know
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): why he was carrying a gun that day because he's fucking hood rat right it may be but he stopped the shooting
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): no agreed and
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): this
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): is a case of blind squirrel
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): this
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): is uh fine good this guy this guy had the thing when he needed it and yeah he's gonna he's gonna have some repercussions from it but but good and again like this is why you want shit like second call defense
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): i just don't understand like not having that protection because this is the kind of shit they throw at you every time and they will continue to do it they will continue to do it we have to fight it um
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): i saw this and i was like this is this is absolutely crazy we like shooting.com scd by the way
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yep
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh so the every town in the anti-gun brigade are absolutely losing their shit over the supreme court taking up the ar-15 uh ban and quote quote-unquote, assault weapon bans cases in Connecticut and Illinois.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): So the
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): one thing that they're doing right now is attacking a researcher, and they're trying to make claims about him that don't really fit.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): So Everytown's representative here, Lickenbrock, has said here that in its amicus brief, the Department of Justice relies in part on a, quote-unquote, flawed research findings as evidence that AR-15s are in common use and cannot be prohibited. So the fact that
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Everytown
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): is trying to say that AR-15s are not in common use is already fucking retarded. Like, get the fuck out of here. So they've gone to say, for example, the department cited a survey released days before the briefs were due by Professor William English, whose earlier work was criticized for, among other things, having undisclosed pro-gun ties and interests. English's new research claims that roughly a quarter of gun owners own AR-15s. However, the new survey appears to suffer
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): from many of the same flaws. Which,
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): know, their opinion piece says is flaws. As this prior one, and this is it. It was not peer-reviewed, and it does not disclose how respondents were recruited and prime respondents to answer in certain ways. So, English's work was actually a survey, so it didn't necessarily need to be peer-reviewed. and uh
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): let
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): me see the undisclosed pro-gun ties are basically that he served as an expert witnesses in four lawsuits from 2018 to 2020
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): don't know how that means that he's some kind of industry insider or something like that um they go on to say that uh you know department of justice also side fix figures from the national shooting sports foundations uh the gun industry's trade association estimating that millions of modern sporting rifles and a term that the nsf created for assault weapons and that's the this is the ironic fucking thing here okay did did the you know
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): industry coin the term modern sporting rifles yes but the anti-gunners coined the term assault weapons so fuck them like there it's like the spider-man pointing at each other
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): kind of
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): a deal you know uh and says uh but as discussed here there's a stark difference between how many saw weapons have been made and how how many are currently owned by civilians well it's probably kind of close
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): know
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): so it's
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): just it's just a lot of bitching and moaning because that's all can do at this point
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): like i love seeing them cry yeah
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): we're gonna fucking win it we're just gonna fucking win
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): love seeing
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): them cry
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): man best thing i've ever seen
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): but
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh and this is
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): new
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): as of today from what i just found surprise story that's not in there uh there is some shit going down uh and james reeves is actually uh named in a as a defendant in a
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): lawsuit yeah
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): i saw this
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): so i'm just going to read this from his twitter post so he says i was just subpoenaed in an anti-gun lawsuit for being a gun tuber the case is roberts v smith and wesson and is the same playbook almost copy paste of the soto v bushmaster sandy hook lawsuit against remington which put them out of business this one arises from the highland park for a july 4th shooting where the killer used an m&p 15 the plaintiffs are of course attempting to blame smith and wesson for the incident and and the
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): theory you guess it is negligent marketing they say smith and wesson appealed to young men interested in militaristic imagery and that this influenced the advertising influenced the shooter to select the mp15 and that this is more or less what caused the incident right so now they're reaching beyond smith and wesson and into firearms media and this is where like we got the crosshairs on
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): our fucking backs um it says here that james will serve with a subpoena demanding years of info and analytics from him about smith and wesson and reviews that he's done uh the part that should concern my fellow gun reviewers their subpoena defines an advertisement to include even unpaid organic social media content in other words by the plaintiff's definition even an independent review of a lawful product is advertising and they think they are entitled
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): to any info that touches on essentially any youtube video about the mmp 15 during the relevant period and so thus this is why i was a little bit concerned a little earlier uh so this is exactly the end run around the federal protection of lawful commerce and arms act that led me to draft what became or that led me to draft what became the plcaa clarification act the plcaa was enacted to protect manufacturers from lawfare over crimes uh
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): committed by third parties plaintiffs have increasingly pleaded around that protection after soda case uh by using negligent marketing as a loophole which defeats the purpose of the plcaa um
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): know he says i'll just skip down to the bottom here one final note for the gun media space if you receive one of these subpoenas do not ignore it and do not start deleting anything feel free to contact me and we can discuss whether I can assist with your response according to an appropriate local council like this is this is coming after us
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Shawn (reference, not reviewed): shall we is
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Shawn (reference, not reviewed): they did death by a thousand cuts they will continue and continue and continue
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Nick (reference, not reviewed): can't
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I
Nick (reference, not reviewed): don't understand
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): the the
Nick (reference, not reviewed): Hangups, I guess, that some people have, like the need to, like, fuck other people over. Right.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): It's
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): weird, right?
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Yeah. I
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): mean, they'll literally just look for any excuse. It doesn't matter whether it makes logical sense or not.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): They
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): will find whatever way, by any means possible. That's the justification, by any means possible.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Yeah.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): I agree. jeremy what's your favorite flatline fiber coat product or which ones do you use
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): um i use mostly the slings
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): the
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): slings nick
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): man
Nick (reference, not reviewed): i think i said the slings last week but
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): the
Nick (reference, not reviewed): bag is really good
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): the baseline bag i was i was literally just using them like it's
Nick (reference, not reviewed): it's
Nick (reference, not reviewed): so light and handy and like the size of it is perfect that it's not inconvenient to carry but it's still useful it's very good
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah i
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): i literally i have three i counted i have three of them in my range case just because like you can use them for so much they're like 25 bucks yeah go check them out flatlinefiberco.com coupon code wls15 gets you 15 off uh which is pretty badass and awesome
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): jeremy
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): it is time for the reviews
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah i feel like
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): this first one is a repeat
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): i don't remember uh b bait says five whole squares good show great info met most of the cast at gun con was awesome better yet my buddy got them to sign one of his wife's maxi pads y'all are great keep it up savage do your best aaron your absence is well welcome god
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): damn
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): that's
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): hardcore
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Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): review syntax error 404 we like shooting as the podcast come in of duct taping a flesh oh flashlight oh fuck
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Shawn (reference, not reviewed): was like okay i don't like where this is going
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Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): flashlight to a toaster and calling it edc the hosts are a lovable band of misfits who somehow managed to combine firearms expertise with the energy of a middle school lunchroom argument if that lunchroom had access to ballistics gel and questionable wife advice each episode is a master class on how to derail a conversation while still technically talking about guns you'll get gear reviews shooting tips and enough off-topic tangents to make you wonder if you accidentally tuned into a therapy session for gun nerds it's loud it's chaotic and it's probably the only podcast where you'll hear the phrase tactical
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): cheese grater and not even blink highly recommend for anyone who enjoys firearms freedom and the sound of grown men arguing over optics like it's a custody battle
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): okay look
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): cheese is mission specific
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Shawn (reference, not reviewed): is and you know cheese greater hand guards are a real thing
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): it exists sometimes
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): i want a snack
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): exactly
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): am kind of hungry actually
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): i didn't i i under uh cooked dinner tonight and i didn't eat a lot oh but i wasn't gonna tell my family that i just let them eat everything
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): jesus
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): what kind of meat was it
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): made sausage gravy and biscuits for dinner
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): with some
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): uh potato like fried potato like breakfast hash browns like the cube what
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): what
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): did you undercook
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): didn't undercook it i just didn't make enough
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): oh okay i thought
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): you okay i
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): was like wait you let him eat like raw chicken
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): no i like under usually
Nick (reference, not reviewed): means like not
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): oh i like under
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): i underguessed how much food to make usually i
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): have exact
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): opposite problem right um but my kids actually eat like a
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): god
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): if i make sausage gravy two of them will just fucking devour it and then the uh the other one will devour the potatoes and i was like i got like a plate oh and they all eat biscuits too so i was like
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): fuck
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): there's no
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): food left but i let the kids eat and i let my wife eat and then i just cleaned all the plates off and i was like man i'm still kind of hungry but whatever it's i don't need it
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Shawn (reference, not reviewed): you
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): want
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): me to get you door dash or something i don't want you to go hungry bud
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): dude
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): i got food in this
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): house do you
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): guys even have door dash
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): no
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): i've never door dashed anything
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): honestly
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): they're fucking
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): hate door dash
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): it's
Nick (reference, not reviewed): too fucking expensive i'd rather just go get it
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): door
Nick (reference, not reviewed): dash is a great way to pay twenty dollars for a ten dollar
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): meal yeah
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): exactly twenty five dollars for a ten dollar meal
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): i'll just go get it i'm not that lazy who's the winner jeremy me
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): oh
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): i got one more to read oh
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Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): review not fucking bill would do jill though i think that's very important i don't know what that means
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Shawn (reference, not reviewed): right syntax error 404 email automated we like shooting.com and crystal we get your winnings for the rest of you you can text your name and review to 743-500-2171 or go to we like shooting.com slash dashboard and use our snazzy uh Review form that you can use.
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Shawn (reference, not reviewed): yeah, that will do it for this episode of We Like Shooting. Hope you enjoyed it. Hope you had fun. Hope that you learned something and hope that you got angry. If we accomplished all those things, that'll do. Savage, are you there?
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Yes. Yes, I'm here.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Okay, good. Good, good, good. A Gator88 just sent $20 in Rumble Rant said, paying it forward
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Shawn (reference, not reviewed): did he get
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Shawn (reference, not reviewed): sorry reading
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): through the chat trying to figure out what happened
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Nick (reference, not reviewed): herpes
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Shawn (reference, not reviewed): herpes in his ear pussy
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Shawn (reference, not reviewed): haven't had someone get mad at us about that in a while
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Nick (reference, not reviewed): ripping off kevin smith
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Shawn (reference, not reviewed): 100 dude yeah like literally word for fucking word oh for the mechanic prime radian that he won
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Shawn (reference, not reviewed): that's that's fucking cool i think everyone got those now you guys got them
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Shawn (reference, not reviewed): winners
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Nick (reference, not reviewed): yeah
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): savages still gotta wait
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Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): gay
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): anyway that's gonna do it for this episode we like shooting don't forget gunners of america right now they've got that promotion going if you get a life membership you get a free suppressor i want to say that again free suppressor if you get a life a lifetime membership pretty crazy but yeah gun owners.org slash wls agency 171.com is a way you can support the show if you would like to and thank you to all of our agents out there we truly appreciate your support 988 is the
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): suicide prevention hotline that's 988 you can text it or call it from your phone if you need to and don't forget always prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery let it guide your life let it uh bring you joy because i promise
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Shawn (reference, not reviewed): is the enemy
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): dude there
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): was a while that flock was the only thing I saw on social media or like anti-flock shit.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): It
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): seems to have lessened a little bit.
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): We
Nick (reference, not reviewed): need
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): to keep...
Nick (reference, not reviewed): have nothing to hide, why would you be anti-flock?
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Oh, yeah. No, I have tons of shit to hide. What are you talking about? I don't want them looking at me. Sorry, I forgot to click end.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Crazy times all around.
Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): This podcast has been a production of the Firearms Radio
Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Network.
Shawn (reference, not reviewed): For more, visit firearmsradio.net.