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  • The guest segment centers on One Horse, including the founders’ background in the firearms industry, how the brand was launched, and their emphasis on building American-made products for ordinary shooters. Source at 00:01:56

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    one horse is a uh we are obviously firearms manufacturing company but uh
  • The conversation digs into the company’s decision to produce firearms with forced reset selectors, why they see that move as supporting broader use and innovation, and the legal risk they expect around it. Source at 00:14:36

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    but drew and i both uh
  • The hosts and guests compare different manufacturers and market pressures, arguing that quality, consumer demand, and staying nimble matter more than the scale and bureaucracy of big corporate ownership. Source at 00:15:02

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    of stuck because you've got layers in which, you know, making a decision can take years instead of weeks. And we've witnessed it firsthand. And that was one of the things when we started this, you know, when I started at Anderson and I'll let Drew kind of jump in here in a sec. But when I started at Anderson, we had 24 employees and it was family owned. We had a we had a blast. I mean, we had a kick ass time together. All of us employees like we were all passionate about the same stuff. we were all driving forward
  • Gunfights returns with auction-style guessing around unusual firearms, using recent sales to spark jokes, technical discussion, and competition among the panel. Source at 00:45:16

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    Yeah, then you try to guess what they sold for. And also, all of these will be combined with a theme. Or joined together by a theme. I'm going to warn you that tonight, the theme is really fucking retarded.
  • Later, Savage gives a long firsthand account of the Spokane-area wildfires, including evacuation, blocked roads, smoke, drones interfering with firefighting, and his criticism of the official response. Source at 02:08:10

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    so this is the greater Spokane area and some outlying suburbs over here. And what happened on August 1st is this fire over here, the old Trails fire, was set by a multiple arsonist and murderer, by the way, moving up from, I think it was Arizona, which is great. and uh this one happened in the nine mile falls area and then this one here happened uh over here in uh you know

Chapter guide

  1. 00:00:58 — Episode open and guest introductions
  2. 00:01:56 — What One Horse is and how it started
  3. 00:03:21 — From industry experience to a new brand
  4. 00:14:36 — Why One Horse built around forced reset selectors
  5. 00:45:16 — Gunfights: strange firearms and auction guesses
  6. 02:08:10 — Wildfire evacuation in Spokane
  7. 02:29:01 — NFA court ruling and suppressor fallout
  8. 02:42:36 — Closing reviews, shoutouts, and sign-off

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Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Welcome to We Like Shooting, episode 675. We got a crazy one for you tonight. First up, our cast. We got Savage 1R checking in. He's going to read us the news later on in the show. We also have Nick Lynch from Bus Built Systems here. He's here in memoriam because his camera stopped working, but it's probably better that way. We got Jeremy Paz-Derek from River's Edge Tactical in Valley City, Ohio. It's a gun range. can rent machine guns, buy guns, buy ammo, and do it all over there. My name's Sean Heron. Welcome to the show. Glad to have you

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): here and glad to have our guests here. It's a gang, a couple of the dudes from One Horse. And we got Jeremy and Drew here with us. So first of all, can you please explain what the hell One Horse is to the people?

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Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): out of the military trying to figure out what you know what direction I wanted to go. I actually looked at doing law enforcement just because coming out of the military as an infantryman, you know, you get kind of pointed into that world because it will translate, I guess. But we spent some time doing the Anderson side of things. 2012 to 2025 when we sold to Ruger. And during that time, I just learned an immense amount about this industry

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Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): the gun cage is what we called it so both veterans myself and we were trying to figure out what the gun community was all about jumped into the ar space right during some unfortunate events that took place during sandy hook and during that time the market kind of went crazy just because of the the ups and the downs that this industry faces as far as bands

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Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): then 2016 rolled around And as it was creeping, the market spiked again with the election. And, you know, we we realized real quick once once Trump got in and Hillary did not win that, you know, this industry is rough because you went from being at the peak and the demand being there to being like, oh, my gosh, who's who's going to order from us? So we learned a lot during that little span. And then from 2016 to 2020, it was kind of the same roller coaster. You

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Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh you know just kind of seeing that from 2012 to now um you know i eventually ended up taking over sales and marketing so i was vpn sales of marketing there and then the owners decided that they wanted to sell so we did all we could do to get the company ready to be sold and then during that time was when drew and i we had shared some conversations and some

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Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): drew was a drew was a valuable uh supplier at that time and then once anderson decided they were going to sell he and I started talking and I was coming with a Rolodex of customers in the OEM space looking for parts, components, pieces, some of which Drew didn't even have contacts for or have the ability to help. So once he and I joined forces, we elevated our other company that we have called Four Boxes of Liberty. And that's where we really supplied some OEM

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): partners and other manufacturers in this space. And we did all we could do to make sure that we were taking care of them with the Anderson transition, you know, once Ruger came in and bought them out. You know, a lot of these vendors and suppliers were kind of left empty

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Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): going, well, what do we do now? And that's where Drew and I jumped in and tried to help them. But the bigger piece of that was the dealers and distributors that we had great connections with saying, hey, where can I go get this stuff? And that's where the one horse, you know, brand came into play. So November of last year is when we officially launched the brand. So

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Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): a lot of things we could have done differently at Anderson, marketing being one. You

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Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): can't talk either no art so rf85 was owned by my boss at anderson his name was tom stefner um he was the vp of sales and marketing when i arrived there and i worked under him for a number of years his father actually owned the company and then

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Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): as things kind of outgrew that mentality you kind of saw where the poverty pony came into play because it became one of those things where you're chasing a dollar one of those things where you're trying to mine your p's and q's and hit numbers and do the things that need to happen and

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Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): even you know the frs world the forced reset world let's just forced reset in general 100 legal

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Shawn (reference, not reviewed): because i mean there's a very litigious company out there that that seems to think that they own anything even remotely tangentially related. Which is asinine and ridiculous, in my opinion. And clearly, you had to think that they were going to come after you. And, you know, obviously, every government, politician, asshole out there, the second they understand what a force FRS is, you know, they're going to come after you.

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Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): do we want to assist with getting this technology into the hands of more Americans so it becomes common use? and you know we you saw i mean you see everybody it's online every day everybody's trying to get an frs to work they're trying to get their gun to run they're trying to do this and they spend bukus of bucks on expensive buffers expensive parts barrels gas blocks whatever it may be and we spent a ton of time and finally got a secret

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Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): we just said let's build them and then let's build a bunch of them and let's sell them yeah and it sounds very basic but

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Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): we do not want to be the only company doing this i i mean that is not the goal of this we want to be one of all of the companies that are doing this

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah i

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): mean we want every single gun company to do this this there should never be a regular standard selector in a gun ever it should always be an frs it just makes sense to be honest i mean um there's there's no real reason to have anything else in a in a rifle so

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): don't know i don't i don't want to i could be on a soapbox and say you know a bunch of stuff and make it all sound pretty but we really just made a really honestly we made a tough decision

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Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): we had built a really solid start and a really solid brand and a big building with a whole bunch of people in it

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Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): all the guys that work in this shop and everybody that surrounded us it was it was just the right thing to do

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): that's cool and

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): a team at atrius is is sick like you cannot ask for a better group of guys that are doing what they should do

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Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you i mean you can argue what it is and how it works and all these different things and everybody's got their own flavor that they like yeah but the basis of what they are doing and what they believe in is completely and utterly true and guided by the right way so and you know we were at goals last week and i gave a shout out to hoffman tactical like all these guys i mean any of these guys that are putting their balls on the line are deserve to be given credit and if and if the gun community

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): wants to support someone support those guys i don't care buy a damn button off of them or a patch or a hat or whatever it is i mean these guys have risked their entire livelihoods

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Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): could go on a tangent but it's it really

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): don't know there's just a lot of good dudes that are trying to do good stuff for the right reason and we just got to go and do it and it's probably going to hurt because

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i agree i

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): think it's a good thing like uh and i agree with you 100 i think that everyone should be selling with these you know at least made for these if not selling with these already installed i think it's an awesome thing and then at goals i think you guys released your 22 lr your 22 lr ar uh with with the frs as well right so like out of the box runs 22

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): it's the best ever it

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): just

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): absolutely zips

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): it's

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): so much fun

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): it

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): is so much fun well i think again that even that caliber and that setup that we did is just listening to the consumer and what this industry is looking for

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you know everybody wants to frs and you can say frt if you want um you know we we like the frs setup personally and i think just listening to the consumer i mean ammo's not cheap and when you can rip a 22 it's a whole hell of a lot more fun when you know you're not spending the money you're going to spend on some of these other calibers but we also listen to them on the 10 and a half inch stuff you know they wanted the pistols they wanted to do that so we came out with the pistols and now we're going to start

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): dabbling in some other calibers but you know we're just listening to the market we're listening to consumer we're trying to drive that forward

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): that's

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): cool and trying to trying to explain to the consumer and I know it's basic business, but I have to say it out Loud.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): It's

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): super expensive

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): to

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): have racks of rifles and pistols that are behind me. I mean, it's expensive to build this shit. So

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): have to buy it. Unfortunately, I need someone to buy it.

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): I just assumed you were pulling an Accuracy International. Yes. Racks and racks.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I love it. Yeah, we just

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): can't sell them. So we just have to stack them up. But I mean, we talk about it a lot, but once you see something that's cool,

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): have to support it because it has to sell through. again, I know you're, oh, duh, you have to sell it to people. But buy it, people. Like you have to buy this stuff. If you want to see this continue, we've got to get this out in the wild, and we've got to get these rifles and pistols and different things out there so we can continue this fight. and

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): know we've really tried to build a super solid rifle i mean everything you've seen online i mean jeremy's gonna hate me for saying he's gonna always tells me to knock on wood because i drive him crazy by saying it out loud

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): but

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): the rifles rip

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): they

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): rip they they i mean we had seven influencers the largest nut jobs you could possibly get in a field together and they went for 12 hours straight and burn seven eight thousand rounds of ammo in a day

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): we had zero issues that's cool and it's not a bragging point it's just it works and they work well and if you buy it you don't feel like you lost your money and you don't feel like you have to go and adjust it or fix it or send it back to the shop and that's that's our goal there

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): that's important and i mean the prices are the prices look pretty good i think anywhere from what 9.99 to 12.99 something like that yeah

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): depending

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): on what model and what i think they all come with an atrius frs is that

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): also correct yeah

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): correct yep

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): well

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and i think that's that's another thing that we're trying to do and that you know obviously there's a lot of attention on the express series stuff that we're doing and the atrius collab that we're doing but what we also want people to understand is there's also the non-FRS stuff that we're offering and the parts business that we're offering. So we've been working really hard behind the scenes, and I've seen some of the comments coming in here about people wanting cheap frames. We'll call them lower receivers. But we're trying to get our capacities up to be able to offer that again.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): So if people do want to build their own rifle, if people do need the parts because they've got parts laying around from years of just collecting stuff, now they need to put a gun together. We still also want to just have that option and that opportunity for people to come and buy the parts buy the individual pieces and put some stuff together themselves so we we don't want to just get completely lost in the express even though right now that's where all the focus and attention is and we love that we want to keep driving that forward and pushing that forward for the industry but we also want people to

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): understand that we're here to try to fill that need and fill that void for some of these small part components and it's all 100 u.s made there's not a single part that we're going to put out through one horse that has been imported from another country. Everything we do is 100% USA made. And that's not an easy feat. And, you know, coming from Henderson, we lived that life. We understood, you know, everything we were doing was U.S. U.S. made. And when you were competing with some of these folks that had

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): bottom of the barrel prices, that wasn't always the case. And we're trying to bring that back and make people understand, like, it means a lot to buy from u.s manufacturers especially in the 2a community we should be leading that charge as a country in the 2a space that everything should come from america so

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): that's awesome man was it difficult to get i mean no one's done it so you guys are kind of the first ones to make everything basically have an frs was it difficult to get it to be reliable did you have to make any changes like what what were the challenges involved in doing that besides obviously just you know uh the unknown and the litigious nature of some of the assholes out there

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): mean i i would say

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): so

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): working through uh so to get the frs to work correctly and to get everything to jive the definitely the lower receiver geometry and the upper receiver geometry

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): stack

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): up issues can always be an issue so i think it was more a lot of it was an issue of just getting consistency in parts to where we could build and keep building and not have to stop um you know we use a really good quality barrel um

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): a really good quality bcg so i think as much as as much as consistency or getting the gun to fire it's also getting the gun to hold up

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah because

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you're you're that thing's eaten i mean it's for Eating, it's lunch. Every, every day you fire that baby up. So,

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um,

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I think. And the AR platform is, is, is literally all about timing. It's about consistency. You know, even without running an FRS, your tolerant stackups matter. And if everything's not timing and everything's not working the way it should, you're gonna, you might get a couple of mags through it. And then you're going to be disappointed because you're going to have some failure feeds. You're going to have some jams you're going to have all that stuff and again you know the beginning of the show we're talking about anderson and we threw

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): the through the poverty pony stuff out there and we knew that because i was joining this you know this fight with drew there's going to be a stigma there and everyone's eyes on oh we're going to be the next anderson 2.0 i every time i hear that i just laugh because i literally know the struggles we dealt with there and i knew coming out the gate that if we didn't deliver a quality product we wouldn't be here right now period we wouldn't be talking to you guys because we wouldn't have lasted long so we have made it a point when it comes to

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): quality that's number one above everything else quality matters and that is literally our number one thing that we make sure we're delivering a quality product

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): bought a shit ton of anderson lowers at different times throughout the last few years and i don't know that i've really ever had a problem

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): well

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and it's it's usually just some of the naysayers that wanted to uh to buy an anderson product at a much higher price that wanted to throw some shade and we're hoping we can bring that to light by some of the things that we're doing so

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): that's

Nick (reference, not reviewed): crazy man and

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i'd

Nick (reference, not reviewed): rather buy it from anderson or from you guys than psa that's for sure

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): agree actually

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i'm

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): not a hater per se but you know we're talking and you guys don't i am you guys don't have to say like you know you don't have to acknowledge this at all but like ultimately we're talking about big ass companies that you know one hand doesn't really understand what the left is doing private equity uh just like a lot of money injected from people that may or may not be staunch to a people and i'm not saying that all the people at psa are like that but it's an example of that kind of thing like PSA has done a lot of good in the industry but you

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): know a lot of times it's live long enough to become the villain or the hero that lives long enough to to become the villain and I think they may be in their their villain arc and especially like some of the marketing shit that they've done where you know they announce stuff get people all hyped for it and then it's five years later and it's still not out so there's a lot of things to to bag on PSA about but ultimately uh getting things in common use is a is a good thing and they've definitely been really good for that

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i mean you yeah i agree with what you said there i mean it's one of those mixtures i mean they obviously put an absolute mountain of stuff into the industry and into america so i mean we have to give them props for that and you can't you can't take that from them and and companies get big i mean that's just there's i mean we talk about it here i mean how damn big does it get yeah and do you stop do you not do you do i mean i'll tell the story i

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): when jeremy and i started this we we literally sat in this building and said

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): we're

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): gonna do 5 000 parts a month and we're done that's all we're doing we're doing 5 000 parts a month

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): we're

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): gonna be happy and we're just gonna sit in office

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): that went to shit

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): so

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i mean it just it's but also the the consumption of america is is is amazing i mean the consumption of firearms in america is big and

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): know there is a void in america right now for parts and for pieces and for and for firearms so

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh well

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i think the biggest addressable market in this entire industry is us right here on this call and doing what we're doing and we're all americans we all love our guns we all love our freedom and you know why make that so unobtainable for your average shooter and the new shooters coming in you know this this whole industry has been

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): mean under attack really ever since we've we've started this you know in 2012 we've always been under attack

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): when

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I got into this industry. And it never seems to get any easier. never seems to get any better. You know, there's always some sort of legislation lingering out there that can just take our livelihoods away from us. And it's unfortunate because it is a right. I mean, it is the second amendment. And I feel like for a little while there, us as an industry, I've started to cave to that and be afraid of voicing how we feel. But yet you see the average shooter and the average citizen

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and the people that are in the two-way space fighting that fight, but they don't have a voice. What Drew and I want to be is that voice, but we want to put that voice into action by showing, hey, we're going to push this forward and we're going to drive this forward. Are we taking gigantic risks for everything we're doing? One thousand percent. But we also are willing to stand up and fight for our rights. And that's really what this comes down to for us.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Yeah, I

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): think that's awesome, man. So people can find it at what? Onehorse.com. That's where?

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Theonehorse.com.

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Yeah,

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): onehorse.com is a veterinarian that you wouldn't sell the domain. we tried i tried

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): it's

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): like what you only work on horses lady come on get

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): 30 years she

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): thought she she thought she was going to keep it so i've got her email we'll get it

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i'm

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): curious how many people have called her asking for firearms

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i guarantee it

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i guarantee it

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): they're

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): like

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): a

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): lot of work from it though you never know

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): what

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): is this website

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): it's true i

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): was trying to buy an ar-15 and somehow i walked out with a dog

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): it's

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): weird so you're like uh what are you guys going to do for the encore um you know you came out with the express and frs and and all the guns like obviously that sets you aside says that you're crazy uh right off the bat because that's a that's a fucking deep

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): pool there's there's going to be

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): a huge opportunity for small manufacturers if the suppressor NFA thing holds because then guys like I mean what you're going to do is you're going to go get a CNC lathe and you're going to make a $50 aluminum suppressor and you're going to up the price $60 on each one of your guns and it's going to come with a fucking suppressor on it

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): that'd be sick that's what

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): I'd fucking do, it doesn't have to be a good one and it doesn't have to last long because the replacement one is going to cost $60 if a $60 can last me 5,000 rounds, I don't give a shit

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): as it turns out we

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): will i will tell you this i mean as soon as that ruling released i mean we did not order any more braces so i mean we're we're like as soon as we can stick stocks on these babies they're going on i mean it they'll all be stocked there won't be any braces i mean there won't be a point

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): we'll

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): brace that we'll stock everything and

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): oh i'm

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): getting

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): a fucking throw cans

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): on everything

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and rock

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): and roll i'm getting a 12 inch winchester

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i'm gonna fucking is that a

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): gun

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): a

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): winchester

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): oh

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): i did sorry sorry yes it's one of the oldest no i didn't i just heard

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): he

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): didn't hear you oh yeah uh you guys do cans as well right you have a 30 and uh 556

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yes

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah we have a titanium can currently

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): so

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): we're working on a full auto can

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): very

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): nice

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): that's uh

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): hopefully

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): hopefully we have good news coming up here this week i think right that expires the seven days that they have to appeal

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): we hope yes yeah

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): we'll see we'll see

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): that's awesome to

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): answer your question like we're listening to the consumers and other manufacturers to figure out you know what are people looking for and if we can go out and and and do it then that's what we're gonna do and we'll we'll never quit that this is just step one for us in the frs world so yeah

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): that's

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): cool

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i i really like linked ammo i'm just saying

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): just saying absolutely

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): yeah you guys are gonna have to start a freaking ammo company while you're at it just to pay just to get enough ammo in the market for all this nonsense sense

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): know uh i have a few machine guns and i don't care about them anymore really because like frs and all all the different methods that we have that are 100 completely legal like just really don't

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): the hassle of machine guns it just doesn't i don't care anymore like all the machine guns i have like i don't really the only one that i really shoot anymore is my mp5 because i have you know better guns that can do the same the same stuff so

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): speak for yourself my machine guns are fucking cool

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): have some that are cool

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): have a

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): few

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): that are cool

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): that is true but yeah so theonehorse.com is where you can find all the firearms suppressors all that stuff I'm going to do a quick ad read and then we're going to play some gunfights with these guys Drew was talking shit before the show said he's going to beat us all so we will see about that, but yeah, just give me

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): one sec.

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): then he was stimming. It was real weird.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): don't

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): even... What

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): autistic people do

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): with the gap?

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Oh.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): It's

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): called stimming. That's me.

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): I did not know that, Jeremy. Thank you for the knowledge.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): How do

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): you

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): not

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): know that?

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): don't know. Okay.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I'm

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): going to do an ad read.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): All

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): right. Well, it turns out that our title sponsor is Foxtrot Mike. So sorry, one horse guys to do this to you. But Foxtrot Mike, obviously out there making guns for the everyday man as well. A couple that I'd like to point out are the Ranch Rifle, one of my favorites. I actually noticed on the website that there's some 7.62x3.9 Ranch Rifles out there. That is one of my favorite guns just because it's different. It's interesting. and for any uak nerds out there uh obviously 762 by 39 would be pretty fun

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): i don't have a ranch rifle in 762 by 39 but i think that would actually be a lot of fun um i do have some other foxtrot mic stuff in 762 by 39 but not a ranch rifle second of all is the uh mike 9 or the foldy boy as we as we call it here that's got the recoil mitigating buffer system also they have the isu coming out very soon which is an integrally suppressed upper with kind of a new operating system and that'll be released released very soon over at fm

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): -products.com and we're pretty excited about that the entire upper with the integrally suppressed barrel is going to be under 500 bucks or right around 500 bucks so that's that's going to be really cool and hopefully there's some good news in the following week that that becomes something that you just have to do a background check for and then you walk out of the store with it so fm-products.com coupon code wls as life saves you money every single day all day and thank foxtrot mike for supporting the show and all of the 2a people out there

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): also got a little behind in the chat uh some rumble rants were sent mostly just saying 22lr when we were talking about the 22lr one horse rifle what's that one called

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): it

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): doesn't have a name

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): okay

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): well now you gotta let us in on the joke

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): everyone wants to call it the horse fly

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): that's fun uh rimfire

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): radio wait

Nick (reference, not reviewed): is is the whole thing an analogy for heroin

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you

Nick (reference, not reviewed): guys have been through the desert on a horse with no name

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): oh you

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): guys should have a vertical forward grip and call it the one horse cock

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): see

Nick (reference, not reviewed): this is do you put out the open sleigh

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): the

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): fucking one

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): horse open sleigh

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): that's

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): 16 inch

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): long vertical

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): foregrip

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you guys keep talking i'm listening

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah we're taking

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): notes here

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i'm not uh

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): nick you still got the dildo on that one gun

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): no

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): someone just posted a picture of that by the way and yeah it was uh mike mike from the reloading podcast yeah that's that's fun all right uh nick are you ready for some gunfights is your shit actually gonna work

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): your

Nick (reference, not reviewed): guess is as good as mine let's find out

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): are you making trying to

Nick (reference, not reviewed): be a horse

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): i was just gonna say the one horse guys here and suddenly you're making horse noises

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): like all

Nick (reference, not reviewed): right uh okay

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): so i'm

Nick (reference, not reviewed): working on it

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): while nick is

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): bringing all this stuff up your screen

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): he's

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): gonna

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): give

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): us the play-by-play

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): google

Nick (reference, not reviewed): chrome is accessing my screen

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yay all

Nick (reference, not reviewed): right

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): hold on

Nick (reference, not reviewed): one second thing

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): man

Nick (reference, not reviewed): i'm glad i don't have any uh

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): oh

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i gotta open my thing hold on see how bored i look right now

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): there

Nick (reference, not reviewed): are that's

Nick (reference, not reviewed): how you always look

Nick (reference, not reviewed): jeremy i'm just shocked you're not staring

Nick (reference, not reviewed): at your phone

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): oh

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): yeah

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): hold

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): on i gotta do my phone thing

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): oh

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): gunfights game not found

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): what let's see

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): well you're not gonna win anyways

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): know

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): all right um shoot

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): me a link i don't have a jeremy's gonna win

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): i'll

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): put it to me

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah in private chat yeah

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): hold on savage um it is going the

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): good

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): -looking one or the one falling asleep

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yes

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): jeremy

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): only wakes up to scream at people

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): oh

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): wait i had the wrong thing up god damn it

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): kyle's dying okay here we are

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): now i've got the gunfight staying up nick are we all ready uh no yes i'm ready

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): oh my god i'm ready let me tell you what's getting

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): ready i don't

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): know about you but

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): i'm hard

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): here's

Nick (reference, not reviewed): the first well

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): here's

Nick (reference, not reviewed): the first gun

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): okay i

Nick (reference, not reviewed): like how you guys can see my mouse you can see me gently caress

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): that's pretty

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): this is

Nick (reference, not reviewed): our this is our first gun

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): it's

Nick (reference, not reviewed): a k's are yourini

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): like

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): the salad

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh

Nick (reference, not reviewed): yeah

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): k's

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): are

Nick (reference, not reviewed): the

Nick (reference, not reviewed): caesar gerini siren tempio hey

Nick (reference, not reviewed): did you Can explain to

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): the guys how this

Nick (reference, not reviewed): works?

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): No,

Nick (reference, not reviewed): I know.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Siren is spelled so weirdly.

Nick (reference, not reviewed): They know. You guys know how this works, right?

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Sure.

Nick (reference, not reviewed): I'm going to show you guys guns.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I'll tell you

Nick (reference, not reviewed): about them.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I'm to tell you how much they sold for, right?

Nick (reference, not reviewed): Yeah, then you try to guess what they sold for. And also, all of these will be combined with a theme. Or joined together by a theme. I'm going to warn you that tonight, the theme is really fucking retarded.

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): sometimes the

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): theme is as loose as you know diarrhea

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): sometimes

Nick (reference, not reviewed): the sling uh the the theme is that they all come with slings sometimes the theme is that they were all in a movie from 1972 that three other people saw

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um sometimes

Nick (reference, not reviewed): listeners provide excellent themes

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): so

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): do we can we guess more than once

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): no

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): so

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): do you do you

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): have that interface up that looks like that looks like that kind of

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): so

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): basically

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): you enter your bid and until Nick reveals it you can change your bid but

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): how long do we have

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): to submit a bid like can we

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): all

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): get it in

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I'm nervous

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I'm

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): nervous too yeah so

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): this one is

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): this like if I go over we're out no

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): it's whoever's the closest is

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): not gonna

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): there but

Nick (reference, not reviewed): this one was made in 2017

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh it's

Nick (reference, not reviewed): got it's it's an

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i'm

Nick (reference, not reviewed): not super familiar with these it says it's a uh over under but it also comes with a single barrel

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um

Nick (reference, not reviewed): both are set up with ejectors it's in excellent condition it's got an adjustable comb

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i'm

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): going it's got that bring my bit down

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): dude three quarter inch chambers like

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): shit

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): some

Nick (reference, not reviewed): uh some gorgeous wood furniture some tasteful engravings with a little bit of gold inlay on some some roses on the side of the receiver

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): how

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): is it is it

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): do

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): we just go until

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): there

Nick (reference, not reviewed): were 42 bids on this

Nick (reference, not reviewed): already i'm currently

Nick (reference, not reviewed): waiting for sean and savage to get their bids

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): in i

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): know

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): you're not

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): i submitted i just admitted mine

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i don't even

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): fucking know

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): oh

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): there this is all like everybody's trying

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yep

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): everybody's going

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): okay yeah all

Nick (reference, not reviewed): right

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): so let

Nick (reference, not reviewed): me look at these real quick uh this sold for six thousand three hundred twenty five dollars

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): which means

Nick (reference, not reviewed): that savage was the closest

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah he

Nick (reference, not reviewed): was three hundred $625 off he bid or he guessed $6,000.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Yeah.

Nick (reference, not reviewed): Wow.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Who came in second? I

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): pulled that one out of my ass.

Nick (reference, not reviewed): Let's see who came in second. You know what? Second only. Second's just the first loser.

Nick (reference, not reviewed): Let's see. Drew was second. He was $675 off with his $7,000 bid.

Nick (reference, not reviewed): I

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): think that was a $6,800 guy.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): He

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): overbid. This is like Price is Right, right?

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): No. it's just whoever's closest

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): oh okay I didn't know that part I was trying to underbid alright I got it now

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): went

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): fucking overbid I got

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): it now $1

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): $1 Bob here's the

Nick (reference, not reviewed): next gun

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): this

Nick (reference, not reviewed): one right here let's see if I can

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): no

Nick (reference, not reviewed): go back

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): go

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): back I

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): don't know how to there we go

Nick (reference, not reviewed): i'm trying to trying to drag it up so we can actually see it nope

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): nope okay

Nick (reference, not reviewed): sure right there

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): that's

Nick (reference, not reviewed): fine uh all right this one is a wise light arms saa jm 53 gen 2 um so yeah it's uh an m53 which is a clone of the mg42

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh

Nick (reference, not reviewed): this one's an eight millimeter mauser it's got a 24 inch barrel it does have the quick change system intact

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): this

Nick (reference, not reviewed): is a

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you

Nick (reference, not reviewed): go build with a closed bolt

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): it

Nick (reference, not reviewed): is not a machine gun

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): says

Nick (reference, not reviewed): it's an overall excellent condition comes with the drum mag the folding bipod ammo belt

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and

Nick (reference, not reviewed): a custom lockable plano hard case

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and

Nick (reference, not reviewed): it had 22 bids

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): when did it sell

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): are

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): these

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): all recent

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): like are these all recent sales

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh

Nick (reference, not reviewed): yeah yeah these all sold last month actually

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah

Nick (reference, not reviewed): so pretty pretty sweet classic mg42 uh unfortunately like i said it is semi-auto Um,

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): so

Nick (reference, not reviewed): it is not,

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): not

Nick (reference, not reviewed): a machine gun.

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Dude.

Nick (reference, not reviewed): Still pretty cool though.

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): It is cool.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): They

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): did good

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): stuff. What

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): the fuck is the theme?

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): You

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): can start

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): guessing themes

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): now. You can

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): type in your, your

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): guess. It don't make no sense.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Guns on the table. Right.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Shit

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): named after salads.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Honestly.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): What, you guys

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): have never had a wise salad?

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): All right.

Nick (reference, not reviewed): shut up

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): savage so

Nick (reference, not reviewed): everybody's got a bid in yeah um let's see jeremy says five thousand dollars and two barrels

Nick (reference, not reviewed): savage says

Nick (reference, not reviewed): 4500 and clones

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): sean

Nick (reference, not reviewed): says 32 22 and german sean i don't know if you're aware

Nick (reference, not reviewed): but the

Nick (reference, not reviewed): last one was italian i don't care

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh

Nick (reference, not reviewed): drew says 19 000

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and

Nick (reference, not reviewed): one horse Jeremy says 9,000

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and

Nick (reference, not reviewed): this actually sold for $6,475 which

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): means that our

Nick (reference, not reviewed): Jeremy

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): was

Nick (reference, not reviewed): $1,475 off

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): making

Nick (reference, not reviewed): him the closest

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): damn I'd

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): have bought that damn

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): thing that's

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): pretty

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): it's

Nick (reference, not reviewed): pretty neat

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): made some good ones

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): all

Nick (reference, not reviewed): right

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and

Nick (reference, not reviewed): nobody nobody got the got the theme um

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): sr9 this

Nick (reference, not reviewed): one right here this is a 1993 hk sr9t

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): it

Nick (reference, not reviewed): is a uh

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): sort

Nick (reference, not reviewed): of a psg1 type setup

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): this

Nick (reference, not reviewed): one had 44 bids

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): let's

Nick (reference, not reviewed): see it's got a zeiss uh three to nine optic on it

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um it's

Nick (reference, not reviewed): got the msg90 buttstock

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): it's

Nick (reference, not reviewed): got the wood pistol grip the bipod um

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): the

Nick (reference, not reviewed): psg forend

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): it's

Nick (reference, not reviewed): pretty it's pretty sweet it also comes with the the standard g3 style uh stock and forend

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): comes

Nick (reference, not reviewed): with both the 20 and i think that's a five-round mag.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): It is

Nick (reference, not reviewed): in overall pretty good condition.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Doesn't

Nick (reference, not reviewed): look like it's been shot a whole lot. 44 bids.

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): trying to think.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): wish I knew more about history.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): It's

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): all wise anyways.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): PSG-1s or SR9s are kind of desired.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): It's

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): like

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): of the HKs.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Yeah. it

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): looks pretty

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): oh

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): there's some hk faggot that's gonna spend like 100 grand on this

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): no

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): it's true

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): it's on gunbroker so probably all right i submit it

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): all

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): right yeah we

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): know let's

Nick (reference, not reviewed): see you know what jeremy says 6400 savage says 6300

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): damn

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): it

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh

Nick (reference, not reviewed): sean says 4244

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): oh

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): crap

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): give

Nick (reference, not reviewed): me two

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): drew

Nick (reference, not reviewed): says 5900

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and

Nick (reference, not reviewed): one horse jeremy says 4500 uh excuse me yeah 4500

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): this one

Nick (reference, not reviewed): sold for 5 675 which means that drew was 225 off makes him the closest for this round

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): give

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): me the next one

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and i don't

Nick (reference, not reviewed): know what we're gonna do if uh

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): five

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): -way tie

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah right now not

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): happening

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): would have to win one for that to happen

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): same

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): nice

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): rifle all

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): right did anyone get the theme

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): nope okay

Nick (reference, not reviewed): oh i did not read them so uh jeremy says axis power savage says guns in the 6 000 range sean says axis jeremy from one horse says only room for one jeremy

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you

Nick (reference, not reviewed): guys want to trade

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): no no

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): really he knows a lot about guns and he's got that he's got that mustache he's got a he's got a range

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and

Nick (reference, not reviewed): an sot and a leather jacket

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): let's

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): do it

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and

Nick (reference, not reviewed): a leather jacket and a motorcycle and a leather jacket

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): jeremy doesn't have a leather jacket i

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): got a

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): leather jacket

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): our

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): jeremy has chaps i don't know if that sweetens the deal any

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): jeremy has a really cool bedazzled shirt too. Facts. Facts.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): wear pearl snaps every day.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): A

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): little bullshit.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): You

Nick (reference, not reviewed): wear dirty white t-shirts every day.

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): If you'll notice, I got the old wife beater on. It's been very hot out.

Nick (reference, not reviewed): All right, this is a Johnson Automatics 1941 Johnson rifle in .30-06.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): This

Nick (reference, not reviewed): was a

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): rifle

Nick (reference, not reviewed): that went up against the Garand in Trials.

Nick (reference, not reviewed): leading up to world war ii and

Nick (reference, not reviewed): did

Nick (reference, not reviewed): not did not win but it is a pretty cool rifle

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh

Nick (reference, not reviewed): 39 bids on this one

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): oh it's

Nick (reference, not reviewed): in excellent condition

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um

Nick (reference, not reviewed): this was the first year of manufacture

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh

Nick (reference, not reviewed): let's see here it won't this one is pretty neat because it comes with the bayonet and it says it comes with the holster i i

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): assume

Nick (reference, not reviewed): they're talking about the sheath for the bayonet

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um yeah yeah

Nick (reference, not reviewed): it's an overall excellent condition um very cool rifle

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): these

Nick (reference, not reviewed): have a pretty crazy internal magazine system on them

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): submitted let's

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): see here

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): no

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): i'm not gonna second guess myself

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): would

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): never submit

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): i've done nothing but second guess myself

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): because

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): I don't know any of these

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): just don't look at this stuff on gunbroker so I have no idea but if you ask me about fucking St. Michael engraved 1911's I could tell you the prices on all those bitches

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): feel like are these all auction house guns?

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): These

Nick (reference, not reviewed): are all from gunbroker I think these all were

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): from auction house I didn't

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): know if that was themed could be i don't know put that in your fucking box motherfucker where's the box where's the what's in the box

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): it's under the your bid it's says theme guess

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): oh

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i it was optional

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): yeah it is

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): all right

Nick (reference, not reviewed): uh we like shooting jeremy it says 4500 and a wooden picture not on gun

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um

Nick (reference, not reviewed): savage says ten thousand dollars guns that forgotten weapons has done videos on

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): sean

Nick (reference, not reviewed): says five thousand four hundred thirty nine dollars

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): he

Nick (reference, not reviewed): says sitting on wood like your mom

Nick (reference, not reviewed): true says eight thousand two hundred forty three dollars and bomb is gay um and that's not what i was looking for but i'm gonna go ahead and give you a point for that one

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): thank

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you thank you i there's a tiebreaker uh

Nick (reference, not reviewed): let's see and one horse jeremy says

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): four

Nick (reference, not reviewed): thousand two hundred dollars and do push-ups kyle

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): push-ups now

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): that's actually

Nick (reference, not reviewed): sold for eight thousand

Nick (reference, not reviewed): six

Nick (reference, not reviewed): hundred twenty four dollars

Nick (reference, not reviewed): and

Nick (reference, not reviewed): $0

Nick (reference, not reviewed): which means that Drew

Nick (reference, not reviewed): is $381

Nick (reference, not reviewed): .99

Nick (reference, not reviewed): off.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Dang.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Turn. One

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): horse Kyle's doing push-ups.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): He

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): only did that so he could look at his ass.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Whatever

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): works.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Couldn't see my thumb.

Nick (reference, not reviewed): All right. Last gun. Wait, who won? Kyle.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Pay

Nick (reference, not reviewed): attention, Sean. Shut up.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): have no

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): idea

Nick (reference, not reviewed): do you want to there were 39 bids

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and

Nick (reference, not reviewed): kyle was 381.99 off who the fuck is kyle

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): what kyle was doing

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): push-ups

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah here's the one sorry the

Nick (reference, not reviewed): uh do push-ups kyle really fucked with

Nick (reference, not reviewed): me there um

Nick (reference, not reviewed): drew drew one

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): okay

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): damn it

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh

Nick (reference, not reviewed): kyle's the real winner because he's increasing his upper body strength or something

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): that is true he

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): is having a heart attack right

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): all

Nick (reference, not reviewed): right this one is a mateba model 6 unica no

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): idea what this is

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): this

Nick (reference, not reviewed): is a 44 mag auto revolver oh this one was made in 2000

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh

Nick (reference, not reviewed): it's got a six inch barrel a blued finish

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and

Nick (reference, not reviewed): these are pretty sweet um basically the top half of the gun rides on rails and under recoil the cylinder and everything will slide back like a semi-auto pistol which rotates the cylinder and cocks the hammer

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): for

Nick (reference, not reviewed): the next shot Um, yeah, it says this one has a pristine bore. It's got 98% of the finish

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and

Nick (reference, not reviewed): is, yeah, an overall good condition. 22 bids on this. These are very rare. Um, pretty,

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): pretty

Nick (reference, not reviewed): sought after.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): This

Nick (reference, not reviewed): is one of those ones where, like, you

Nick (reference, not reviewed): might

Nick (reference, not reviewed): only ever see one if you're looking for it

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and

Nick (reference, not reviewed): you get lucky.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): want the 454 Casual model.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I

Nick (reference, not reviewed): mean, I'd be happy

Nick (reference, not reviewed): with any

Nick (reference, not reviewed): of

Nick (reference, not reviewed): them.

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): That would be goddamn insane.

Nick (reference, not reviewed): But

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): 454 would

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): be pretty sweet.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Total guess here.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Hold

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): on, I'm typing my theme.

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): All right. Done. displayed on a cutting board.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): We

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): already guessed that. It was wrong.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): You

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): didn't put cutting board.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Fair. And

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): Nick's pedantic enough to... Well, actually, the theme was they're all laid out on Poplar.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Oh,

Nick (reference, not reviewed): wait, hold on. I have a thing for

Nick (reference, not reviewed): saving

Nick (reference, not reviewed): theme ideas.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): So

Nick (reference, not reviewed): cutting boards. Save theme idea. Okay.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): All

Nick (reference, not reviewed): right. Is everybody ready?

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Yeah.

Nick (reference, not reviewed): Everybody, everybody's. No, there we go. Now everybody's ready. All right. We like shooting. Jeremy says $12,000 serial number in picture. savage says 8 000 guns leaning sean says 54 22 guns from a movie drew says 3 307 things that are brown for 1000 uh jeremy from one horse says 7 166 dollars and 99 cents

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): well the marketing

Nick (reference, not reviewed): actual price that this sold for was eleven thousand five hundred twenty five

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): god

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): damn

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): which means

Nick (reference, not reviewed): that our jeremy was four hundred seventy five dollars off

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): what

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): the actual hell

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): that

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): there's

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): this

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): is the only one i actually knew about

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): eleven

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): thousand

Nick (reference, not reviewed): well you know

Nick (reference, not reviewed): when there are like six guns in existence and everybody wants one you know

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): there's

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): a ton of them just not in the united states

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): don't think

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): there

Nick (reference, not reviewed): are a ton of them

Nick (reference, not reviewed): really outside

Nick (reference, not reviewed): the u.s i think they're just slightly more of them

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): have a rhino it's close enough

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): oh

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah not quite

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): shut

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): up savage

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): so

Nick (reference, not reviewed): wait

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): who

Nick (reference, not reviewed): won

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh

Nick (reference, not reviewed): we're about to find that out

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i'm i'm pretty sure that drew did fewer

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): than 2000 model six unicas

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i lost terribly

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): on the last one i was only eleven thousand dollars off

Nick (reference, not reviewed): um

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): less

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): than two thousand for all calibers

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): how

Nick (reference, not reviewed): do i how do i um

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): won two

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): let's

Nick (reference, not reviewed): see

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): all

Nick (reference, not reviewed): right

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): think we got a tie do we not

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah we actually

Nick (reference, not reviewed): have a tie

Nick (reference, not reviewed): between

Nick (reference, not reviewed): jeremy and drew

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): ridiculous all

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): right what how do we do a tiebreaker do i need to pick a number i just got a guess or how's this we

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): we

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): actually are like

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): dual i feel like we do

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): fart contest

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): i had

Nick (reference, not reviewed): a tiebreaker

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): but

Nick (reference, not reviewed): i am now realizing that it doesn't carry over from uh

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): show

Nick (reference, not reviewed): to show

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): no

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): point

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): call

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): in the air

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): so give

Nick (reference, not reviewed): me just a second to pull that up

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): if we did do a duel to break the tie

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): the

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): person who survives would have to use some medical gear and i would recommend medicalgearoutfitters.com that's where i get all my med gear

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): skinny

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): medic and medical gear outfitters.com back as show sponsors so if you're looking for trauma kits tourniquets any of that stuff you can go over to medicalgearoutfitters.com coupon code wls's life is going to save you money and that's yeah that's what i would use hopefully i got winged so i could just use a tourniquet and it'd be easy

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): well

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): played that was nicely done

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): thanks thanks

Nick (reference, not reviewed): sorry nick um sorry no i'm i'm sorry i uh i should have been paying more attention

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um

Nick (reference, not reviewed): otherwise i would have noticed

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): that

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): the tiebreaker wasn't in this game

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yes we

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): are so professional

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): well

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): you know i mean this is cutting edge software we're just working out the kinks

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): kinky

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): all

Nick (reference, not reviewed): right um

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): how

Nick (reference, not reviewed): do i go to oh there it is all right here's our tiebreaker

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): maybe

Nick (reference, not reviewed): there we go all right

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): this

Nick (reference, not reviewed): one's pretty Pretty special. This one is a TDE Auto Mag 180 and 44 Magnum. It's got a six and a half inch barrel.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): And

Nick (reference, not reviewed): this gun belongs to Elmer Keith. This is from his personal collection.

Nick (reference, not reviewed): So not only is this like already a pretty rare, desirable gun,

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): but

Nick (reference, not reviewed): the whole Elmer Keith angle really,

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you

Nick (reference, not reviewed): know, makes things pretty awesome.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um

Nick (reference, not reviewed): let's see this one was a penny auction

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): sorry

Nick (reference, not reviewed): i usually edit the uh the listings and since i was trying to add this one in a hurry i did not edit it

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um

Nick (reference, not reviewed): they got a whole bunch of they got a elmer keith biography in here

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um

Nick (reference, not reviewed): i'm just looking for the information about the actual firearm

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um

Nick (reference, not reviewed): it is actually chambered in 44 amp not

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): 44

Nick (reference, not reviewed): magnum um it is in excellent condition

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): it's

Nick (reference, not reviewed): got elmer keith engraved into the left side of the frame

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): oh

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): that's nice and it looks like he did it himself

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah

Nick (reference, not reviewed): with

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): a uh electro pencil yep um all right we're not all betting on this right

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): you

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): know fucking boomers and putting their socials on guns man it's a thing

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): no

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): shit

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i'm

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): gonna i'm gonna do that i'm gonna put your social on my guns

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): what's

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): my social

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): probably

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): something marine related i'll have to look it up

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah

Nick (reference, not reviewed): so this this comes with the uh pistol actually the engraving of his name is pretty pretty clean i don't know if you saw that

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): that's not bad

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): there

Nick (reference, not reviewed): it is

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i was clicking all the

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): pictures and they disappeared

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): okay i don't

Nick (reference, not reviewed): know what to do about that uh

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): oh

Nick (reference, not reviewed): now they disappeared

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): those

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): are probably just dead ones

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah

Nick (reference, not reviewed): they probably just doesn't go past 20 or 19 or whatever

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): didn't unselect the broken ones

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): nope i

Nick (reference, not reviewed): didn't unselect anything i was trying to hurry

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): that's fine

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh yeah

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): so this this comes with

Nick (reference, not reviewed): the

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): the

Nick (reference, not reviewed): letter

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh

Nick (reference, not reviewed): it comes with a check that elmer keith wrote to pay for the pistol

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): it

Nick (reference, not reviewed): comes with the original case and then uh elmer keith's biography

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): dude

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): the check how much was the check before

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh

Nick (reference, not reviewed): let's see if there's a good photo of it

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): whoa

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): six

Nick (reference, not reviewed): yeah six hundred fifty eight dollars

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): holy

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): shit that's awesome

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): okay

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): that's

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): pretty it's pretty

Nick (reference, not reviewed): awesome

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i'm

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): gonna change my bid

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah

Nick (reference, not reviewed): six hundred fifty eight dollars

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): that's

Nick (reference, not reviewed): all it's worth

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i'm

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): not supposed to be bidding on this but i'm going to anyway

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i

Nick (reference, not reviewed): see that all right um so we've got uh drew and jeremy have their bids in and also sean

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um

Nick (reference, not reviewed): jeremy says 25 000

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): true

Nick (reference, not reviewed): says one two three four five or uh twelve thousand three hundred forty five dollars

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): sean

Nick (reference, not reviewed): says ten thousand six hundred fifty eight dollars but that doesn't count

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um let's

Nick (reference, not reviewed): see

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you're

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): gonna have to delete mine if i'm right

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh

Nick (reference, not reviewed): i'm gonna have to delete a couple jeremy from one horse says one dollar

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): all

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): right what was my theme

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh

Nick (reference, not reviewed): phil go get it done okay what's my theme

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): gun

Nick (reference, not reviewed): savage is gay for

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): phil

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): go get it done

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): what

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): no

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): seriously what

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): the hell was the theme

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh

Nick (reference, not reviewed): he'll tell us his gun sold for 5076 dollars

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): whoa which means he was

Nick (reference, not reviewed): the closest to just because he was lower than jeremy

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): he

Nick (reference, not reviewed): was 7269 dollars off

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): that's

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): all that's a mirror that's all that went for i'm fucking

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yep yep

Nick (reference, not reviewed): that's all it went for it's five thousand dollars

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): so drew talking shit before the show saying he was going to win gunfights and then he came out and won gunfights.

Nick (reference, not reviewed): what's funny is that Sean and Jeremy both put in joke bids and you guys were both closer.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Yeah.

Nick (reference, not reviewed): So I had to delete them.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Sorry. Sorry

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): about that.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Sounds like Nick's

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): problem to me.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Is

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): there fireworks or something that goes off now? Can I take a

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): picture?

Nick (reference, not reviewed): Yeah, you better. All right.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh

Nick (reference, not reviewed): and yeah and the theme was really cool guns that i definitely can't afford so

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): son got to jam

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): it I could

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): have afforded some of those though.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Holy

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): shit. Let's see.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Yeah.

Nick (reference, not reviewed): They weren't really cool guns that Jeremy can afford some of. They were really cool guns that I can't afford.

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Right.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): We

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): were pretty far off on the missed tallies tonight.

Nick (reference, not reviewed): So,

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): well,

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): to be fair, I could have afforded before today.

Nick (reference, not reviewed): Right. The scores, the scores tonight.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): drew

Nick (reference, not reviewed): with four points

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): jeremy

Nick (reference, not reviewed): with two points

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): our

Nick (reference, not reviewed): jeremy uh savage with one point sean with zero

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and

Nick (reference, not reviewed): one horse jeremy with zero

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): well well

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): done

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): that's the

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): first time i've been shut out in a while

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i feel like

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i feel like if there were more points even if they were completely made up it would be more intense

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah we can do that

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): winning with 70,552 points was

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): it's

Nick (reference, not reviewed): actually it's actually the opposite so

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh you're

Nick (reference, not reviewed): the only one who got any points tonight

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah so

Nick (reference, not reviewed): if you if you win this game you only get one point and then that carries out through the whole year we run uh january 1st to december 31st

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): so

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you gotta come back drew and defend your title

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah does

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): everyone play late at night like this oh yeah

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): oh yeah 100 we

Nick (reference, not reviewed): play at the same time every time so uh so our standing so far for the year is sean with 24 points jeremy with 19 points savage with 13 points and i have three points that were given to me by

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): guests man yeah

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): so now you have to now you

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): have to ask true what he wants

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): to do with his points

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh

Nick (reference, not reviewed): yeah drew you can keep your points or you can give them to a cast member if you choose to.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Or

Nick (reference, not reviewed): you can keep them. They're your points forever. Yeah, or you can keep them, man.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I'd say Sean earned them.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): No.

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Hold on one second. Please don't give them to me because one of our other guests donated to me and I have to, that would mean I would have to then win by like four points. Otherwise, Jeremy's going to say it's a fake win.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): So

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Jeremy.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): fuck

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): don't give him to him either

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): yeah Jeremy

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): gets him

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Jeremy's

Nick (reference, not reviewed): getting him

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): thought we came to the agreement that Nick just got all the ones that guessed one

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): mean I thought like whatever but I thought that was the agreement

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): don't remember we take this shit seriously there's a plaque I've got the plaque from

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I've

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): won it for three years

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): if

Nick (reference, not reviewed): sean wins this year i'm gonna send him a trophy and then like six months later i'll send you like four trophies

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): that's

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): great

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): all

Nick (reference, not reviewed): right so now the new standing is sean at 24 jeremy at 21 savage at 13 and i'm still at three

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): all

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): right but if jeremy does win gunfights for the year now i will also be able to say that it's a fake win

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh

Nick (reference, not reviewed): no because he got two points you got two points they cancel out

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): oh perfect

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah i'm

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): stoked about that actually

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i needed that thanks

Nick (reference, not reviewed): uh thanks for going playing gunfights sean do we want to go through all of the uh

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): no

Nick (reference, not reviewed): i think we're good statistics tonight

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah i think

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): i think we're good ultimately all right let me turn this off if i

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): can figure out great yeah we're cool that nice work

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): there i like that it's cool

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): it's fun i so do you just like cruise gun broker all day long every day

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): work hard

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i just

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): hear kyle

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): in the

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): background

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): hope he's still doing push-ups

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): i think i think he gave that shit up oh uh so we have listener leaderboard too who won in the chat i wasn't paying attention

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): all right so it looks like we had a two-way tie between dirt racer 412 and jay west uh each with two tim m4 and captain doogie each with one the chat tiebreaker tonight was how many total wls and double tap episodes has aaron missed thus far holy shit

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh all

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): kinds of guesses out there

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): sorry

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): i'm going down through the chat

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): aaron

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): has been gone for a total of 82 episodes making dirt racer 412 tonight's winner congrats on that and if you'd like to see the listener leaderboards go to we like shooting.com slash dashboard click on listener leaderboards and you can see all that over there thanks to plow guy dave from the let's go hunt podcast for being the uh the listener leaderboard or i'm sorry the listener gunfights dude handles all that And that is awesome. Uh, so you guys gonna, you want to stick around or you guys got to head out?

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): know it's like four in the morning there.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Yeah. It's, it's late on my end. I am going to peace out if that's cool with you

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): guys. Absolutely.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I definitely appreciate you guys having us on the show though. And totally. Anytime you want to have us back, I got to try to come back and at least earn a point or two.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Yes.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): It's kind of embarrassing.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): It's rough.

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): It's rough.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I'm going to block gun broker on Drew's, uh, web browser at work.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Smart. pretty

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): much the it guy at the shop so i will make that happen yes

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yes

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): that's

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): for

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): sure for certain

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): that's

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): awesome drew you got to run as well

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i'll probably bail

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): all right so

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): hey remind people once again where they can find your stuff uh social media all that good stuff and honestly thanks for being here guys appreciate it appreciate what you're out there in the industry and keep up the good work and make kyle do more push-ups because he told me he likes that

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you can find us at the onehorse.com and then we are on all socials as one horse usa

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): oh

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): yeah

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): all

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): right you bet thanks guys appreciate you we'll talk to you next time

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): thank

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you guys we appreciate you guys

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): see

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): boys

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): thanks

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): y'all

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): all

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): right so let's see what do you guys want to do tonight do you want to do some bang rank i think i have a pretty good one tonight or we can do some gear chat what do you guys want

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): let's

Nick (reference, not reviewed): let's do the bang rank

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): let's

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): do the bang rank okay

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): let's

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): rank that bang

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): so funny story i started i've the ability to like post the bang rank results socially and they have been just absolutely blowing up as far as views and stuff especially over on facebook just really infuriating people and pissing them off which i think is pretty awesome uh because that was kind of the whole goal and the last post from last week on facebook it had like 70 000 views and made 18 and 25 cents so keep up the

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): rage uh it's it's going real well appreciate that and i guess on that note we'll do some bang rank but before i do that

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): need to get caught up a little bit here uh night vision night sights nick we were looking at the stuff that they were doing while we were at goals obviously pat and rachel and sean over there uh been friends for a very long time and really do make great products so

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): when

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): you're looking at the at the stuff what stood out to you

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): what

Nick (reference, not reviewed): stood out to me yeah

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um

Nick (reference, not reviewed): probably how studly patrick murphy is

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): it's

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): a really good point

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): 100 uh

Nick (reference, not reviewed): along with just

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): it

Nick (reference, not reviewed): the the quantity of skews

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): know

Nick (reference, not reviewed): right like they have sites for everything and they don't just have sites for everything they have multiple heights and colors and like with tritium in the rear sight without tritium in the rear sight uh what color tritium do you want in the front sight what color ring do you want around the tritium in the front sight

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): what

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): red dot do you have

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah

Nick (reference, not reviewed): what red dot do you have do you need a plate for that do you need sites that match the plate height uh like it's just insane i can't imagine

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): trying

Nick (reference, not reviewed): to keep track

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): of

Nick (reference, not reviewed): how many skews they have

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): can't either it's got to be just absolutely bonkers

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): and for those that don't know a skew is just like um a stock number so like nick was giving all those options like each one of them has to have a separate instance in your sales system so that you know when somebody buys something it has a unique number that you can map to a price and it maps to a physical product

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): when you think about all the different options they have it's just absolutely crazy so go check them out uh get some night sights they are they're awesome and no batteries to replace go to night vision n-i-g-h-t-f-i-s-i-o-n dot com coupon code wls is life is going to save you money and now it's time for us to bang

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): angel

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): looked at me like what the fuck is wrong with you

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): you know what she's right

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): there's

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): a lot wrong um let's see also i asked every listener that we talked to like what do you think of gun fights what do you think of bang rank and they were all pretty stoked about them all uh i am starting bang rank over on my end right now oh

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): let

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): me end without listener voting

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): let

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): me refresh sorry i was working on code for this today to get stuff updated so jeremy you had an interesting day with flower

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): What the fuck was going on over there?

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): You want to hear about my day?

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Yeah, because literally it had a lot to do with flour. You know, Jeremy is like, he's basically becoming a homesteader. He's got a

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): farm, a

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): ranch.

Nick (reference, not reviewed): He's a trad wife. He's

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): a

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): trad wife. I'm a trad husband.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): But I

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): like to mill my own flour. I wanted to dip my toe into it like a couple years ago. and we had a KitchenAid mixer that my wife had when she we got married and so she bought me like the KitchenAid um

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): flour

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): mill attachment that goes on the um the front of it whatever that's called and

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and it

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): worked fine it's just slow it was kind of shit but like it worked but it was slow and I've been wanting to get a new grain mill for a while but anyway so I was I was milling uh some hard turkey red wheat berries and uh i will say this

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): the

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): wheat mill attachment or the grain mill attachment on the kitchen aid is taxing

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): for

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): the machine

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): it's very rough for it and the mike the kitchen aid exploded not physically exploded but

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): it

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): made a real fun sound and then it just went

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): like the little arm wasn't moving around and the the wheat mill wasn't turning anymore the grain mill wasn't turning anymore and i was like right in the middle of trying to make a couple loaves of bread and in a fit of uh fury i literally drove an hour to amish country uh because it's the closest place i know of where there's a hard hardware store that sells like really good grain mills um so i

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): walk out of there with a 500 nutramill uh grain mill and actually on the way down there i text my buddy and my family and i was like i'm going to amish country because i'm pissed off does anybody want anything yeah if you see this grab it if you see this because they got a lot of cool shit down there

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): and um

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): so

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): i get this 500 dollar fucking nutramill uh uh grain mill and uh but then i got i'm also pissed because i'm like i still want to make bread i don't want to i don't want to hand knead what am i a fucking poor right so i so i swing my target on the way home and i pick up a goddamn uh uh one of the pro kitchen aid uh mixer stand bowls uh with like the bowl lift instead of the tilting head

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): and um

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): then

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): i come home and make my fucking bread

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): fuck

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): my life

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): dude he's

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): like talking

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): about this

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): like my 1200 day of just fucking driving the amish country

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): it's funny dude and i think uh

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): the

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): which mill did you get the awesome one

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): the neutral mill

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): neutral 450 watt yeah yeah

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): they're fucking they're great i'll tell you what though i think there's a cup of wheat berries in like 10 seconds and it would take i did

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): the

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): last time i did six cups in the the kitchen aid uh mill it took like 30 minutes to do six cups

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): this does a cup in like 10 seconds

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): it's

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): amazing

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): that's

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): crazy

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): okay i got bang rank going uh so tonight's bang rank is going to be the most internet over hyped cartridge so which cartridge has the biggest gap between online reputation and practical value for most shooters and for us to judge we're ranking the hype not raw performance we're considering cost availability recoil platform support terminal claims and whether the cartridge solves a common problem better than cheaper options so again which one is the most internet overhyped cartridge s being

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): supreme that's like the most overhyped and then a b c d e f so s is the most overhyped and f is the least overhyped for those listening you can go to we like shooting dot com slash slash rank and submit your own ranks and then starting after tonight once i end the game tonight for you listeners out there for you audio listeners uh there will be a link in the social post that will take you to uh seven days of listener voting

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): so you can go uh make yourself heard as well and i will talk about your results next week so just go to we like shooting dot com slash rank uh after the show and you can you can vote there if you're listening on audio like the next day or whatever if you want you don't have to doesn't matter so tonight's cartridges that we will be rating in their most internet overhyped The cartridge is 10 mil, 5.7, 300 Blackout, 45 ACP, 6.5 Creedmoor, 357 SIG,

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): and 12-gauge mini shells.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): This

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): is the stuff that I think has some staying power. So first up is 10-millimeter powerful semi-auto cartridge. Praised for deep penetration and versatility, like me. But often oversold is the answer to problems most shooters do not have. jeremy is 10 millimeter overhyped

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): i don't think that it is

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): don't think that the the 10 mil nerds

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): don't i

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): must not spend i don't know i i

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): don't

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): spend enough time on the internet

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): okay well first off in

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): in those kind of forums

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): give it an s so jeremy what do you think

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): uh i i don't think that it's i

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): i don't get it

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): so

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): so what how does the ranking here work is if it's overhyped then it's higher ranked or or if it's

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): normal i just explained this

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): shit

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): know but like yeah

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): so s is the most overhyped f

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): is the least

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): overhyped

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): okay but

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): like as compared to like how

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): as

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): compared

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): no

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): just like

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): the

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): one that has the most nerds talking about it online

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): oh

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): i fuck i don't know i have no idea f i don't give a shit i don't read anything

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): okay

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): f savage do you have any thoughts on 10 mil

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i mean i don't again i don't know that it's necessarily over hyped i mean i know a lot of people like it but liking and overhyping

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i'd put it maybe around b-ish

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): think

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): b

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): -ish okay nick

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): nick

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): is dead he did oh he got i don't even hear him

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): oh

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): he's nick are you there

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i

Nick (reference, not reviewed): thought i was can you hear

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): me

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): yeah you were not you were actually not in the stage so

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): nick 10 mil overhyped

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh

Nick (reference, not reviewed): i i would say

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): c holy i think it

Nick (reference, not reviewed): is overhyped

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): but wait a

Nick (reference, not reviewed): minute also a useful cartridge

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): savage what did you say

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i said

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): b-ish

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): b

Nick (reference, not reviewed): -ish okay

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): dude

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): that's crazy

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): um yeah i just think that 10 mil is the most overhyped thing i made a point at almost every booth that mentioned 10 mil i was like do people actually this was at gun con angles i was like do people actually buy 10 mil or do they just ask you to do it and several of the companies had actually brought products to market in 10 mil and didn't fucking sell any of them or sold very very low quantities i just think that the 10 mil nerds are super loud they demand everything be made in 10 mil and then they don't actually buy anything because they don't fucking buy guns or i don't now there's a couple people

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): that like shoot a lot of 10 mil and actually i think have pretty good opinions on that elmer's fud works talking about you but in general i think they talk a lot of shit they demand everything and then they buy nothing

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): oh

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): i would i oh so i

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): don't give a shit about loud nerds that no money like right that doesn't mean the cartridge is overhyped that just means the fanboy they should be like most internet fanboys are retarded like that's all that should say and then the answer is s for everything because fanboys well

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): our

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): averages put together equals a b so now let's talk about five seven

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): nick start with you is five seven the most internet overhyped cartridge

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): easy

Nick (reference, not reviewed): s on this one

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): easy

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): s

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): holy

Nick (reference, not reviewed): shit yeah i think five seven is a neat cartridge it's fun to shoot

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh

Nick (reference, not reviewed): but

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i

Nick (reference, not reviewed): think that

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): in

Nick (reference, not reviewed): the hands of a normal person it has almost no practical use

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): like

Nick (reference, not reviewed): there are situations where an average person could use it and it could be helpful um

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): but there are a bunch of other cartridges

Nick (reference, not reviewed): that'll do

Nick (reference, not reviewed): the same thing

Nick (reference, not reviewed): better

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i'm

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): like really right in front of my jordan salinas

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): all right so nick says s i agree with nick overall a lot of the reason the 5.7 was created is ammo that most of us don't have can't get don't buy and so as of now it's just like you know an alternative to rimfire in a lot of cases like i like 5.7 it's fine i don't really i don't have anything against it per se but i think that it's so overhyped and i think honestly with the in and out thing it's going to be even more overhyped just because homeboy was carrying a

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): non-standard gun.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): That

Nick (reference, not reviewed): was like the first thing I thought when I saw it was like, oh God, now all the five, seven nerds. Yeah. I'm going to shut up.

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Fucking S as well for me. Savage.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): It's

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): gotta be an S.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): mean, people waited around for so long for those patents to lapse. They waited like just fucking waiting. Like only a waiter could wait. And bro, I know that doesn't make any sense, but it's like,

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): thought it just came out of the fucking woodwork. and everybody wanted a five seven and it's still it's nice but it's not that great

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): and like 10 mil has a valid use like i i think the 10 mil has a very good use there's a lot of good uses for 10 mil and so

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): but five seven

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): does have an intended use and it's okay for that but

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): what

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): what is the intended use for like non-armor piercing five seven

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): not

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): for non-armor piercing five seven

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah

Nick (reference, not reviewed): i think it'd

Nick (reference, not reviewed): be pretty

Nick (reference, not reviewed): cool and a compact bolt action rifle for

Nick (reference, not reviewed): yeah all

Nick (reference, not reviewed): varmints and stuff and like furbearers but then there are also a whole bunch of cartridges that would do that just as well or better

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): tony

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): tony my manager has been writing an email to cz for like

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): for

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): like three years now every so often for a micro action bolt action five seven rifle because he's like i just think it'd be fucking cool

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): like i would be cool

Nick (reference, not reviewed): or like 22 tcm or something

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah 17 it's

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): kind of like a 22 hornet you know it's it's nothing great over anything that already existed it's just expensive and yeah it's got some cool guns that were built around it but it's it's not worth it

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah unless

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you're really into that kind of

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): thing

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): so uh jeremy five seven

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): i'm gonna go with f because all i ever see is people on the internet is shitting on it so

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): want to get most you're talking about what people on the internet say and everybody on the internet i see shits on it they just make fun of five seven and the people like it 10 years ago you guys were correct right now nobody says any of those things anymore you're fucking stuck in the past

Nick (reference, not reviewed): i fucking see it i thought you didn't pay attention to what the nerds on the internet say

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i'm i

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): don't pay attention to what they say

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i

Nick (reference, not reviewed): mean it sounds like you do because you just told us what they say

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): savage is your printer going

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): no no

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): that's like a cat in the litter box oh

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): okay

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): well so the uh the host average for uh five seven is a so so far it's winning in the overhyped but here we go 300 blackout jeremy go

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): he's

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): making the thinking face

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): again do

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): i think it's overhyped yes i don't see anybody on the internet anymore these days really fucking like how many defending it

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): questions do we get about like five or i'm sorry 300 blackout and

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): so

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): i'll tell you what jeremy

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i don't i don't read for heard

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): many like i don't read forums i'm a couple of facebook groups that i don't pay attention to and i listen to a bunch of we like shoot a bunch of we like shooting posts on facebook is mostly what i see like i don't i i where are you looking where people still talk about 300 blackout as if it's not a fucking cartridge it's been out for a long goddamn time

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): fucking see the nerds talking about 300 blackout every single day

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): where

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): where

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i mean they're probably talking about it as much as

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): the internet 223

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): at this point just because it's been around for so fucking long and it's it's like

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): any hype

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): train i think it's kind of

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): over i think this is a bad

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): prompt

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): think the 300 blackout is i think it's overhyped because i think that it has a very valid use case with subsonics i think it is a retarded cartridge for supersonics so i think that a lot of people buy it because they want you know to shoot shoot it suppressed and then when they can't hit anything past 200 yards they're like oh what the fuck so they get the supersonics which pretty much deletes all the usefulness of the 300 blackout cartridge so i'm gonna say

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): a

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): nick would

Nick (reference, not reviewed): you say that 30 30 is a decent cartridge for medium game

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yes or

Nick (reference, not reviewed): 762 by 39

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): sure what

Nick (reference, not reviewed): if you could do that in an ar platform

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): with

Nick (reference, not reviewed): a 30 round mag

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and

Nick (reference, not reviewed): then also

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you

Nick (reference, not reviewed): could throw some subsonic ammo in there and be really quiet if you wanted to and get like 45 ish performance

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): with

Nick (reference, not reviewed): a with a better bullet

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): not have your gun run unless you tune it back over and don't forget

Nick (reference, not reviewed): or if you just like I don't know know how to set up an AR Um,

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): I don't

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): think that that's

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): fired.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I

Nick (reference, not reviewed): don't think that 300 blackout is, uh,

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I

Nick (reference, not reviewed): think it is somewhat overhyped,

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): but

Nick (reference, not reviewed): I would put it in 10 mil territory because I think that it's still useful. I think that the supersonic stuff is very useful.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): And

Nick (reference, not reviewed): I think that the supersonic stuff should get more attention than it does. um especially in a state like colorado where you can't shoot uh 30 cows the minimum right or it's it's like 24 or 25 cow

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): it's like 0.224 i think

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um yeah

Nick (reference, not reviewed): i uh i think that as a medium game cartridge or like a general purpose

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): rifle

Nick (reference, not reviewed): cartridge uh depending on where you live i think that this could be an excellent excellent choice for a handy little carbine and so no i don't think that it's overhyped

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): okay

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): uh so f

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh

Nick (reference, not reviewed): i i would go what's one step uh it's d right yeah it's one step up i would i would say d savage

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i mean this this cartridge has been around for a very long time i mean not not as long as 10 mil but

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): but

Nick (reference, not reviewed): what about five seven it's been around for a long time too

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Yeah,

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): well, it's been around, but it's so rare and hard to get for most people. And the platforms were severely limited until recently. 300 Blackout's been around since, what, 2008, 2010, something like that? And it does have a lot of versatility. And it's basically the 7.62x39 for an AR platform. Like you can do subsonic with it, which it excels at. or you can do supersonic which with it which it gets close to 762 by 39 velocities and i think it still

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): has better ballistics

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): there

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): was a ton of hype at the very beginning saying it was like the you know the best thing since sliced bread and back then i would say yeah sure it was super overhyped but now that that's died down i mean i really don't think there's as much interest in it now i think it's just like another cartridge option that most people look at so i'd say i'd say it's f

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): okay jeremy uh

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): just because i hate 300 blackout fanboys i'm gonna say yes

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): all

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): right that averages us out to a b there's there's a lot of disparity going on tonight um 45 acp this this is an interesting one because you know

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): stopping

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): power

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): again

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): i've never seen anybody hype it up except fucking dudes with one foot in the grenade even the other on a banana peel when this was like the best car the best cartridge that ever fucking existed in their fucking minds uh like nobody my my entire adult life it's been called 45 aarp right so i've never seen anybody like overhype it except boomers

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): boomers around the someone over yeah

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): boomers are on the

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): internet nobody

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): except boomers

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): yeah boomers are i made made

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): the caveat you dumb son of a bitch you don't get to make a caveat after i make a caveat

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): watch

Nick (reference, not reviewed): me

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): fucking

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): dumb

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): nick's like i'm white

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): this is america if

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you can make up the rules i can make up the fucking

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): but

Nick (reference, not reviewed): you but you have heard of me

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): so okay jeremy what do you give 45

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): acp it

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): perfectly acceptable for the era it was created in

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): and it was it was good at what it did back in the day

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): that's

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): it like f it's not again i've never seen anybody over hype it except for a couple of boomers

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): savage jeremy's

Nick (reference, not reviewed): never done anything gay except those dicks that he sucked

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): see you made the caveat i couldn't then say well what about those dicks i suck right you already made the caveat

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): clip

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): that

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): that's for

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): all the dicks that jeremy

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): has

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): sucked

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): a

Nick (reference, not reviewed): lot of people would say that the caveat is is uh kind of moot there

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): it's

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): a it's a moot point

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah an

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): opinion a cow would have you you bake you bake a hundred loaves of bread you're not a baker

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): suck one

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): dick

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): cocksucker for life

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): clip

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): that

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): savage 45 acp

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): no

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah yes yes okay like even today like like the the the fuds they're us basically at this point like the the amount that people have reached that age gravitate fucking towards 45 acp and they never let it go they always keep bringing up two world wars it's it's never going to lose that hype because it has the mythology behind it and people hang their fucking hats on the mythology so yeah s

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): that is true

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): nick

Nick (reference, not reviewed): Um,

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I

Nick (reference, not reviewed): like 45. I enjoy shooting 45. Um, it's, it's had pretty good effect on medium game for me.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Uh,

Nick (reference, not reviewed): it's the most, it's the only thing that I have ever shot a chicken with and not had it flop around afterwards. So I do believe it's true that 45 kills the soul.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Nice.

Nick (reference, not reviewed): Um,

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): boomerisms. yeah

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh

Nick (reference, not reviewed): and honestly if i lived in a state where capacity was restricted to like 10 rounds or so

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i

Nick (reference, not reviewed): might

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): be

Nick (reference, not reviewed): looking at a 45 for carry

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): man

Nick (reference, not reviewed): uh i would give this one a c because there definitely are people

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): who

Nick (reference, not reviewed): really really hang on to it

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and

Nick (reference, not reviewed): i think that it's yeah i am overhyping it uh i think that there are people who definitely hang on to it and think it's like the greatest cartridge in the world and it's not um but it is a cool cartridge and i do think that it is still fun to shoot and still serves a purpose

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): i give it a c as well i don't think it's overhyped i think it's fine i think that it has a use and while i do see boomers talking about it pretty regularly like jeremy said like fine i have no problem with it uh that's gonna average us out to a c because savage and jeremy went both ends of the spectrum uh 357

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): where

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): we sit best

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yes

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): 357 sig

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): man

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): okay this

Nick (reference, not reviewed): one this one i'm gonna go jeremy mode i don't see anybody over hype it i'm interested in it because i'm a weirdo and if i i keep watching on ebay and gun broker for slides and barrels for my 229

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and

Nick (reference, not reviewed): eventually i'm gonna snag one for like 200 bucks i'm

Nick (reference, not reviewed): gonna play

Nick (reference, not reviewed): with 37 sig

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you're jack

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): wilson special fuck yeah

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): but

Nick (reference, not reviewed): like

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i

Nick (reference, not reviewed): don't really see anybody say anything about 357 sig

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): it

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): is a good cartridge that was

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): commercially

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): successful

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): that's

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): it

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): like it's a good cartridge that didn't sell well

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): after jack wilson expensive after

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): jack wilson i saw a lot of hype on the internet for the cartridge but

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): really also think it was a pretty decent cartridge overall

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): so

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): uh nick where do you stand

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh

Nick (reference, not reviewed): i'm gonna i'm gonna give this one an f oh because i just i don't really see anybody say anything about it one way or the other

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): savage yeah

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): nobody's really talked about this round for 10 years so definitely f

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): jeremy f goddamn i'm

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): gonna change my vote i'm to go d you guys convinced me so uh that one's gonna get an f so not overhyped

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): hug

Nick (reference, not reviewed): muffin says it's the 2000s equivalent of 30 super carry

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): pretty

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): much

Nick (reference, not reviewed): which

Nick (reference, not reviewed): honestly i think is a great comparison like 30 super carry i'm like yeah it's kind of a cool cartridge but it's not like good enough it's not better enough to unseat nine millimeter so you know

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): six five three

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): dude there's so many good cartridges out there

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): that

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): aren't commercially successful

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): have just fallen to the the annals of history uh or in savage's case the annals of history

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): um

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah the 45 gap

Nick (reference, not reviewed): is another one it's like not a terrible cartridge it's just

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): 45

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): gap was a great idea

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah

Nick (reference, not reviewed): it's just nobody wanted it

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): right it was a great idea that nobody gave a shit about you're like one frame you can shoot to 9 40 or 45 awesome um somebody gay somebody at the shop a couple years ago like their grandpa died or their uncle died or dead somebody died right and they walk into the shop and they have like three like 500 round bricks of 45 cap

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): they're like i don't need this they're unopened like this is my you know whoever's like we don't want it we don't even know where the gun is like just fucking give it to somebody and i'm like okay so we literally set them on the counter and any it took three years holy shit for every time somebody walked in and went hey do you have any 45 gap we were like fucking winner winner chicken dinner here you go how much yours dude

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): take it what fucking

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): enjoy it

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): the

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): last fucking box we gave away a guy had a uh smith revolver in 45 acp with half moon clips but 45 gap will work in that damn and he was like yeah you know and we were like

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): do

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): you want some free ammo and he was like fuck yeah it was literally it's just like you said like fucking peewee peewee's playhouse like

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): said the magic

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): All

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): right.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Clip

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): that.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): The

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): fucking couch started talking.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Right. And

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): then everyone realized they were just on LSD.

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): Right.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Jamie got really excited.

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): 6.5 Creedmoor.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): This

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): is an interesting one.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): think that there is a lot of hype for 6.5 Creedmoor. In fact, I'd say it's probably one of, it's probably the most popular long range cartridge since 7.62. by 51 308

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): like

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): yeah it is all over the place but there's also some real cock riders that talk about 65 cream or as if it's the best thing that has ever existed nick i'll start off with you what do you think

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um

Nick (reference, not reviewed): i hate to say it

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): because

Nick (reference, not reviewed): man buns and

Nick (reference, not reviewed): whatnot but

Nick (reference, not reviewed): uh

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i'm

Nick (reference, not reviewed): gonna i'm gonna give cartridge

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and

Nick (reference, not reviewed): i think that 6.5 creedmoor is a better rifle cartridge

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and

Nick (reference, not reviewed): i also think that 6.5 creedmoor has gotten to the point where uh it has proven that it's going to stick around it's not going anywhere

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um it

Nick (reference, not reviewed): is it is slowly replacing 308

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and

Nick (reference, not reviewed): eventually it will

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): it

Nick (reference, not reviewed): will replace it 308 It will be like 30-06 or something.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Yeah,

Nick (reference, not reviewed): I'm going to give it an F.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): also give it an F for all the same reasons. It's an amazing cartridge.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): And

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): even if every nerd on the internet screamed about how fantastic 6.5 Creedmoor is, I still think it wouldn't be overhyped. Savage?

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): mean, you know, there's cartridge development. And we've moved on from stuff that was

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): in

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): World War II in Vietnam.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): The

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): ballistics have proven out over time. better cartridges come along and i think 6.5 is a better cartridge than 308 i i love 308 i've got 308 and i'd rather shoot it than 65 because it's cheaper at least for me

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): but

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i think 65 is a better cartridge i don't think

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): necessarily

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): that it's overhyped i think if it's living up to the name then it's it deserves all the accolades it gets so i'd give it an f

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): jeremy the

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): 65 creedmoor fans would not shut the fuck up

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): correct when

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): this goddamn cartridge first came up

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): still

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): still and it's not that it's a bad cartridge it's not but there is a plethora of commercially unsuccessful six mil to seven millimeter rounds that fit this bill that do what it does that

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): just don't or they don't have sammy specs this one was lucky enough to get a sammy spec and then become somewhat commercially successful whether that was through marketing or you know if it was just performance based a lot of cartridges would have filled that role but so it's not so whatever whatever zeitgeist took over and got the six five into the you know gun culture like whatever but um i hate i hate the fanboys so i'm gonna give it an s just

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): you

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): fucker just to do it just to do it

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): well just piss me off that gives it a d on average for the

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): host fuck you

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): fuck you

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): this one 12 gauge mini shells

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): kind of kind of useless i

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): don't know they're not used

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): they're not useless

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): no

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): they they have use but like i don't would you use these for self-defense

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): 100 really

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): why are shotgun well if you have a shotgun that cycles them yeah correctly

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): why wouldn't more

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): i mean you can carry more obviously but do they cause as much damage i don't

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): think yes

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): oh do you know why shotgun shells are this fucking long

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): the do

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): you know why shotgun shell lengths are the lengths that they are but it used to be two and five inch

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): yeah the shot no

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): not the shot the fucking okay and the wad yeah well not not okay well there's different wads right

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): yeah so

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): back in the day with a full brand i'm gonna go a little fucking

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah fucking get your tism

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): on bro

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): so

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): an old brass shell right full brass shell right so at the bottom you have your primer right and then you put your powder and then you had to have your powder card right yeah which which held your powder down then you had your cushion wad well the cushion wad basically looked like a tumbleweed made out of horse hair that was like this fucking tall and that was so when the shot went from dead standstill to ah real fucking quick you didn't flatten out the shot and that made your shot fly better because flat

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): shot catches the wind and goes off where round shot flies straight so that's why that's important well they had to We didn't have modern plastics and shit. Like I have them. It would take me a long while to run back and get some. could show you some next week if you want me to. Because I reload full brass old school like black powder shells for fun.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um and

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): the wad was this fucking big and it was really tall and then you put your shot in and then you would stack what are called shot cards on top of that all the way into if it was a factory shell you would stack those all the way to the end of the shell so if it was a light load with say like okay so shotgun shells measure powder or used to by dram right so that's why the shotgun shells on the box it says dram equivalent so like a 12 gauge a standard load is three dram uh have you ever heard like in an old cowboy movie an irishman say oh we dram

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): a whiskey you know shit like that a dram is a volume measurement

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): it's a you know i don't know what the actual measurement is off the top of my head um i have i have dippers that are measured in dram so a light load was like two and a half dram and a heavy load was like three and a half dram like and that's like a really heavy shot so if you had a three and a half or three and a quarter dram plus the card plus the wad plus say like an ounce and a quarter of shot you might only get a couple of shot cards on top of that and then they would roll the brass ever so slightly on top of the cards and that held it in reloaders nowadays will

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): use like water glass which is a adhesive and you just drip it around the edge and it'll kind of stick in there a little bit and it makes it water tight but but if you had a really light load like a two and a half dram black powder equivalent and you're using black powder so like you're using way more fucking powder than we do with like red dot or anything like that so you know the amount of red dot that you use in a shotgun shell is goddamn like a third of volume wise than what black powder would be so you had

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): this much black powder in the bottom of it and then you had a wad that was this fucking tall plus your shot and then cards on top of it the shell had to be this fucking long with modern powders and modern wides and modern technology i can make the shell this fucking big and just as powerful if i'm shooting if i'm shooting a fucking one ounce load or nine buckshot pellets that are going 1200 feet per second and then a two and three quarter inch i'm shooting you know because the old shells were two and five eights two and three quarter came out later because you know

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): expanding crimp shells and shit like that um

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you're

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): talking about you know i can i can shrink the shell down to these little these little fuckers because i can put the same amount of power in its shell this big so there's really no goddamn downside if your shotgun handles mini shells i can make it just as why is a 45 acp more powerful than a 45 colt even though it's you know two-thirds the size because my technology got better in the from 1872 to 1910

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): right you know why is a 45 gap is smaller than a 45 acp but it's essentially ballistically the same fucking cartridge because powder got better right so being shorter doesn't necessarily mean that it's less powerful because the wads got better so they don't have to be as thick there's less powder in there that causes just as much pressure all these things add up and in modern shells your wad it basically is just a big spacer in there that

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): eats up a bunch of air because that's just the size shell that we use

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): so

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): there's no downside to a fucking mini shell power wise

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): compared

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): to a two three quarter inch shell now if you're talking like three and a half yeah because now you're jacking up to a three and a half dram power equivalent with a ounce and a half a fucking shot and you're just trying to break your fucking shoulder

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): okay

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): you convinced me i give it an f it is not overhyped at all short dick crew represent

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Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): for the win f for me

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): that's for savage nick

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): short

Nick (reference, not reviewed): dick plan

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Nick (reference, not reviewed): i'm gonna disagree i i have a shitload of these things i've shot a bunch of them i've shot them side by side with two and three quarter inch shells of the same

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you

Nick (reference, not reviewed): know of an equivalent uh shot size load

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um they

Nick (reference, not reviewed): they typically have less shot in them

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um

Nick (reference, not reviewed): at least in my experience they all had less shot in them

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): that's

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): what i thought because

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): we opened some remember

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah

Nick (reference, not reviewed): and they uh and and i've seen a lot less uh i've not shot like ballistics gel with them or anything but there's definitely a noticeable difference in um effect on target with the ones that i've shot

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um

Nick (reference, not reviewed): and typically around here if i'm grabbing a shotgun it's because I have a you know like a bear situation or something

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um

Nick (reference, not reviewed): so I would prefer not give up any

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): any

Nick (reference, not reviewed): kind of energy Um, so yeah, I, uh, I think that they'd probably be fine if you're, you know, working inside of a house or something,

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um,

Nick (reference, not reviewed): or in a tight enclosed space and you're worried about, uh, dudes, you know, home invaders or whatever.

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): I'm definitely worried about dudes.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh

Nick (reference, not reviewed): yeah but

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): but

Nick (reference, not reviewed): if you're worried about large large animals um i i would i would stick to

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Nick (reference, not reviewed): know

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): bigger

Nick (reference, not reviewed): full-size shells

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um

Nick (reference, not reviewed): i am gonna say just to be

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): just

Nick (reference, not reviewed): to be a contrarian i'm gonna say a

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): okay but

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): bigger bigger shells can be jacked up yeah 100 because they have the volume and you're not you you're you have less air in the thing

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): that

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): makes sense like i i get both points but my personal experience with the mini shells has been that they didn't do a whole lot

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): stand

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): in the way of one

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): well

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): i'm not going to stand in the way of that's

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): 22 short yeah

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): in

Nick (reference, not reviewed): front of this pellet

Nick (reference, not reviewed): gun no i would rather not see it's a viable

Nick (reference, not reviewed): self-defense tool

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): mean if it's all you it's better than your swinging dick

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): sure

Nick (reference, not reviewed): but we're not comparing it to my swinging dick we're comparing it to a real shotgun shell

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): changed from an f to a c jeremy what's your final rating

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i'd

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): go f

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): f that's

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): gonna average out to a c which is going to complete it so let's take a look at the results

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): end and open viewer listening all right so five seven uh is what we think is the most internet overhyped cartridge hosts a live viewers b 10 mil hosts b view uh live crew b

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): 300

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): blackout hosts b live viewers c

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): 45

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): acp hosts c live viewers b 12 gauge mini shells c and c 6.5 creedmoor d by the hosts and c by live viewers they think it's more over overhyped than we do and uh 357 sig hosts f live viewers b they think it's way the fuck overhyped and we don't at all

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): all

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): right so that right there is bang rank for this week let us know if you have ideas i saw one posted in the facebook group by the way facebook seems to be a lot less stringent on removing our first and second amendment freedoms so i created a new cantina on facebook just search for the agency it says wls 171 so you will know what it is and uh the cantina is back

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): we

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): we be over there we be going having some fun and uh yeah so far no one's been banned or anything like that so go check it out and that is going to be bang rank don't forget if you go to we like shooting dot com slash rank for the next seven days until next week's show you can uh rank your own and i will talk about those at the end of next week

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): social

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): post has just been made and uh thanks to everyone for playing along in the chat i was trying to read as we were going a lot of good good info out there and click this and this

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): wrong my bad

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): go

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Shawn (reference, not reviewed): how do i get back to regular

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i'm

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): getting very unhappy with fucking

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): what

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): do you call it stream yard lately it's been pissing me off every week

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): how do i remove this

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): just don't know

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): it's

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): like it changes every week so i get

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): confused hold

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): on let me add nick again because he's out

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): let

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): me go here

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): okay

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): yeah

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): guess that's good enough

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): all

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): right so a couple things we're running long but i know savage has some stuff that he wants to talk about which no problem whatsoever but i also have some breaking news that i think is kind of interesting and i wanted to bring it up because no one's covered covering this yet, but it turns out that Staccato is a bunch of assholes. So Staccato for years has very much been a very high dollar 2011. In fact, they have 2011 copyrighted or trademarked. I don't remember which. So people can't even call

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): their double stack 1911s 2011s. And for a while they were kind of giving them out to any small creator that would could possibly request one they were all about the diversity they were sending them specifically to a lot of those minority communities a lot of women were getting staccatos they were like really just trying to push it out as everyone's gone they signed up tons and tons

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): of dealers throughout the years and then suddenly over like the last week maybe just last few days staccato has been sending out messages to dealers removing them

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): from

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): their dealer program and it's speculated that or the what they're saying is that it's brand exclusivity they're moving to a brand exclusivity model to tighten their brand footprint but really they're just trying to go instead of everyone has a staccato they have apparently decided that that is not the tactic that they want that it's going to be like a rolex or a ferrari or a porsche model where if you own a staccato like you're somebody and then the emails that they're sending out

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): are let me i'm going to read this one to you i don't recall which one this was but like shooter's choice sc has been removed from the staccato dealer program uh a couple others that i've seen and this is this is the bullshit that they're sending out dear dealer we're writing to inform you that as part of a strategic restructuring of our authorized dealer network you will no longer be an authorized staccato dealer effective immediately decision is part of a broader initiative to reduce the size of our dealer network so we can provide greater support and resources to a smaller group of

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): partners it reflects our overall distribution strategy and is not intended as a reflection of your organization's performance or the value of our business relationship what this means your authorized dealer agreement terminates effective immediately we have canceled all your existing back orders and will not be shipping any orders past this date

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): new

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): purchase orders will no longer be accepted new products are eligible for

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): no

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): products are eligible for return if your account has any open invoices or credits your staccato rep will work with you to reconcile per the staccato 2011 dealer agreement all open invoices shall be paid within 15 days of termination expiration please remove all staccato branding logos and any references identifying your business as an authorized staccato dealer from your storefront website and online listings within 180 days of today while we are reducing the size of our dealer network we are not closing it currently there is no planned timeline for reapplication or network

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): expansion we sincerely appreciate your partner fuck you staccato

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): like

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): what the fuck uh shooter's choice says after 20 plus years of representing staccato and millions of dollars in sales shooter's choice has been removed from their network effective immediately

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): at staccato's discretion remaining new inventory is now considered used stripping any customers that buy them of the factory warranty moving forward warranty coverage will require a $199 annual subscription per term

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): what dealers helped build staccato they invested in the brand stocked the inventory hosted the events educated customers and supported the product long before staccato became what it is today now it appears the priority is capturing more of the sale directly rather than continuing to build so they basically used dealers pushed staccatos out to anyone and everyone tried to get it as a mainstream thing and now all those dealers that helped build the staccato brand ever since the transition from sti uh fuck you staccato wants more of the pie and you are a

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): casualty even though you helped them build the business so i say fuck you staccato you're

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): literally pieces

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): of shit and yeah i think the guns are great i think they're massively overpriced but like fuck off honestly there's so many good 2k 11 23 11 there's so many good double stack 1911 companies out there staccato

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): i don't see what future they have and if they want to be like you know the hip cool whatever i don't think you're there i think there's people making a lot better guns out there and uh charging about the same amount you are so congratulations on fucking over all the people that actually brought you to where you are um that's really shitty clip that

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): what

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): do you guys think

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): agree

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): it's

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): fucking crazy

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): right big

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): it's

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): a uh

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): well

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you know i don't know i

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): they

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): built up a huge company and reputation and they just want to Go fuck themselves. It's kind of like Glock.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): You

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): know, I think Glock kind of did that in one way or another. You know, they get this fucking ego and they just assume that they can do whatever the fuck they want. And people just

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): buy

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): the guns regardless. And there will be a certain amount who will do that. But when you destroy the network that helped build you,

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): don't get a lot of goodwill and support from those people anymore.

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Yeah,

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): it is the

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): craziest thing. you know they they went with the other

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): the

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): other strategy of sending staccatos to anyone and everyone

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and then

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): suddenly now they're like i guess you have to be someone to get one i i don't know it's it's a very interesting thing now to be fair they did fire the lady that was in charge of marketing that did all that all that outreach and honestly that's uh that was i like went to the staccato ranch with nutrient survival and it was a lot of fun but you can tell that they get high on their own farts a lot so

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): it

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): this isn't really surprising i don't know who staccato exactly thinks they are

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): but

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): i will make it a personal mission to talk up every other double stack 1911 maker out there because i think there's some great options

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): have two guys that work for me that both had staccatos and other 2011s and they both like the other 2011s better yeah one was a fucking prodigy

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): mean he's like i like this fucking prodigy better than that staccato he's like it's not worth it

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): yeah i like i like my tesis that i got for 400 more than my staccato p my staccato xl is fucking amazing, but they're not worth the $4,500 that they cost each.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): It's

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): $9,000 a gun. It's $9,000 of cash for $3,000 a gun.

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): John F says, this is what Arrow did during COVID and look how that turned out. Like, this is crazy to me. Crazy.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): But,

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): you know, I guess they can sandwalk wherever.

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): So, Savage, we're glad to have you back. I know you were evacuated for some fire stuff like i know you wanted to talk about that and i really think we should

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i think actually might be a better replacement for the news even though you know i think everybody heard about the nfa getting beaten court and that's that's awesome we still have some days left to see if that's going to stick or not and then if it's going to be moved forward to the supreme court so i'll just you know just mention that but yeah so there was there's there's a fire there were three fires there's a lot of fires in my area i figured you know maybe

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): maybe

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): the best way i can do this is through song or no actually just kind of showing

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): showing

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): what happened here um so you can do an entire screen

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): tactical side tactical

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): side

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): everybody everybody everybody

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): tactical slide

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): okay

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): so um can you see my screen now

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): nope but i will hold on

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): there

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): it is

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): okay Okay,

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): so this is the greater Spokane area and some outlying suburbs over here. And what happened on August 1st is this fire over here, the old Trails fire, was set by a multiple arsonist and murderer, by the way, moving up from, I think it was Arizona, which is great. and uh this one happened in the nine mile falls area and then this one here happened uh over here in uh you know

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): in mead and actually if you look on my instagram i think uh we were over at a fred meyers in this area north of spokane and i looked in one direction and there was smoke coming from over here i looked down south and there's one there and like we were surrounded basically by all these fires and it was it was insane um

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): but

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i kind of want to show you how it happened so the the fire started over in this area here um and because oh fuck off uh because of the wind blowing in a north westerly or northeasterly direction it came down this valley here

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Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): let

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): me see where is it yeah and it basically

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): came

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): whoops that's not what i want to do

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): oh

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i want it not there we go um it burned right through here this riverside state park area jump the river

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): at

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): this point

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): right around here and

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): let me see there is the sports place yeah the white miracle complex so it basically burned up this entire fucking neighborhood

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): wow

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): that's a big neighborhood too

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Yeah. It just blew right through here. Like this, this over here, this is an old satellite image. This is all brand new construction.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): All these

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): houses that were up here got fucking wiped out. And it was, it happened within, I'd say within two hours, it went from,

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): from

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): over here to this spot right here.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): It

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): was fast. That's crazy. And so if we look over here, if I can drag it the way I want to, God damn.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): You

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): can kind of see this raised area here. It's called the Five Mile Prairie. I wonder if I can

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): get

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): it to tilt at all. No. Anyway, so it's kind of like a circle, and it's bisected by two roads.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): there's technically you know there's technically a fifth road down here to get out but there is 10 000 people up in this area and again old photograph a lot of this stuff has been developed so all the a lot of these farm fields have been developed and it's all neighborhoods so there's about 10 000 people up here and by the time the fire got to about here is when they ordered everybody to start evacuating and 10 000 people

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): tried to get out

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): three

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): different ways they couldn't come out this way because

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): by this time the

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): fire had had come up this way so this entire way over here was completely blocked there was no way of getting out there so people were and then uh when i took another video um there were some spots in these fields over here that had embers that fell on them and the fields had caught fire and maybe like one or two outbuildings burned uh but fortunately that was about the extent of it but this

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): this

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): side here

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): all

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): the way around here

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): just

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): gone but just this this little quarter edge right here

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): for those listening he's showing us uh basically a map and it's like these very expansive areas of development that are just gone

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): they're just wiped out uh so we uh we eventually were able to get out we went out this this uh well we tried to get out this north way and then they they told us that it was it was completely blocked and they sent us back down here so we were finally able to get out uh down through here and then moved our way up north towards the uh the fred meyer up there um

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): then And what happened very soon after is this fire started over here, which is ironically by where my parents live. So that was fun. So we made it over here and we saw this fire over here. My parents were getting ready to evacuate. And so they decided to kind of go up to the top of the hill and watch the fire and see what would happen. And then eventually they went back to their house. And that was by the end of the day. They said, yeah, you can still get in.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): if you want to so the way we'd have to get there is here's here's where we started out we would have to drive we had to drive all the way up north to here and along this road down to here and back out to where my parents lived over here in in suncrest it was it was about a 45 minute to a to an hour drive um

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): when when we're seeing let me see if i can switch this around a little bit

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): heading when

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you're looking at the fire over here

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): like

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): this is a mountainside or this is like a hillside and this entire hillside

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): was

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): burned out that's

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): crazy

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): so we're we're watching it from over here and when when the night came all this all this was just glowing and then by the morning it had jumped the river over here

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): this over here is a is a mountain another mountain range so if i switch switch this again so you can see

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): come

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): down

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): come

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): on zoom in you can just see that it's a it's a mountain range so the fire burned all the way up this mountain side and all along it so this entire mountain side here is fucked totally fucking burned out wow

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): like

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): the the the um the amount is just

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): incredible so what i'm hearing is

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): there's

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): a lot of uh real estate to be had in the spokane area

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): well but what'll happen is

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): companies will swoop in and they'll offer like a pittance to people who've lost everything and that money's going to look like a godsend and then they're going to take that and they're going to give

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): it to him.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I'm going to offer. Well, there's, there's not that much of a issue over, over in this neck of the woods, but

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): if you guys

Nick (reference, not reviewed): are watching the live chat, there's some excellent

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): theorizing

Nick (reference, not reviewed): over there,

Nick (reference, not reviewed): weapons.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Let me know

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): that you've

Nick (reference, not reviewed): been, uh, depicting yourself as the pyro from

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): oh

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): god

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): oh my

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): god i didn't even think of that

Nick (reference, not reviewed): and the way that

Nick (reference, not reviewed): you're showing us with all the details and you know exactly

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah i know i know exactly everything that happened

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): guys it was awesome no um no it sucked it really sucked um because like we had to at a moment's notice like within 10 minutes and we you know the the power company had told us a day prior that they were going to shut off power to our our entire area for at least 24 hours so we thought all right well you know maybe there'll be a little fire and then once they realize that everything's fine that they'll turn it back on

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): so we basically took just like two days two or three days worth of clothes and medication with us at the time because we didn't think it was going to be that big of a deal uh until we really got stuck and we realized that shit was going south and i did bring two guns with me uh and it wouldn't be necessarily the ones you would think uh so if anybody has some some guesses as to which ones i did

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): moza and agon shoot

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): them out nope uh sharps and oozy

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): oozy yeah

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): oh

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): oh oh nick is close nick got one of them

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): so

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): definitely

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): the sharps yeah definitely

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): the sharps

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and your other one

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): is probably your uh

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): don't

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): don't

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): know it's

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): it's it's a canic oh fucking can uh nick both times and i had to think about it really hard because you know you think uh you know end of the world and i i didn't you know i didn't think it was going to be the end of the world what i think about was okay what guns are the most valuable to me

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): like

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): what would have the most sentimental value to me that you couldn't be replaced while the can it could definitely be replaced it's definitely has more sentimental value but the the sharps that that would be damn near impossible

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah to

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): replace so i had i was like fuck it i'm taking that one with me i can lose all the rest i can rebuild them you know whatever they're replaceable that one means the most to me so that that meant a lot

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh but

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah so we only brought what we thought we would need and we ran out to the the suncrest area and hung out with my parents for a few days and a lot of really interesting things happened uh and we so the over here in this uh long lake or the spokane river area this is where all the helicopters and all the small planes would come down and they'd pick up they'd either fly down and pick up along here the planes would or the the helicopters

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): would pick up in this area and like drop on the south shore or they bring it over here to the north side where this this mountain range is you know going up to these farmlands they drop over there um with the firemen and everything and then they'd also bring it on over here to uh the prairie

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): area

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): fires that were that were raging over here and knocking down people's houses and stuff and an interesting thing that was happening

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): was

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): drones so people some people who are staying on the prairie or in the area would be flying drones around here to get a view of what was going on with the fires and when you have civilian drones flying in an area where airplanes are having to fly in order to drop their fire retardant in their water those planes can't come there because there's a chance that they'll fucking get a drone

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): strike get sucked into the one of the engines or something and they'll crash you know and you'd have a really unsafe situation yeah so they're like the first day or two there were 40 instances 40 at least 20 25 to 40 depending on the day where the aircraft were getting called off because of people in their drones

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): believe that

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): believe that 100

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): think that easily added to the amount of damage that happened uh with with the this area these areas you know i think those drones prevented uh the fire people from being able to go in there and and do their job and drop and and you know save save people's houses and stuff

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and so that's

Nick (reference, not reviewed): was that intentional or were you just trying to get footage of your work

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): thanks

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): nick got him oh you got me uh you know yeah Yeah. Um, so that, that was definitely a thing. Uh,

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): then some weird stuff happened. So the fire happened and it was very sudden. It was very quick,

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): but

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): then it kind of like they, they, I'm not going to say they got control of it, but it

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): had pretty much

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): burned

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): out the area that it was going to burn. and like over here it didn't really go that much over this ledge over here so if you're looking at the the area of this circle

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): this

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): part over here i'd say maybe 20 less than 25 percent like 15 percent of this area had burned

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): it was it was pretty much done and yeah there there would be like some smoldering buildings there would be some ash that was coming off them and some hot spots in there

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): but

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): then i think that's where things got weird because the the fire the head you know fire people in charge from california uh because they basically took over and i i think that the firefighters there get all the credit because they they did a really good job but the leadership

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): think started making some some weird calls at that point because the fires were essentially out and yeah there still needed to be some control and there was some burning underneath and you know that stuff you need to taken care of

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): but

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): they were saying

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): for

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): the following like let me see that

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i'd

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): say it was done by it started on the first probably done

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): done

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): for the most part by the end of the third

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): then from the fourth to the eighth

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): they

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): said that it was impossible for people to come back here they kept it at an evacuation level three and they completely blocked off every single entrance to this area only up here

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): all

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): the burned out areas down in this place all across here

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): all

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): around here anybody could go to no problem but they had police and national guard roadblocks at every single entry point to this area saying that it was too dangerous for for people to return to

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): know you know what happened savage

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): got too close with the tesla turbine technology and they had

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): they

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): had to fucking make sure what was what

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): know

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): they had to lock it down

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): and they had to sabotage your technology

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): know what

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i know it i still got it all it's fine no but but and it's it's really weird and then they they the sheriff would come out and say really weird shit like you know uh the the air quality and all the the toxins and fumes and everything are so are too bad for anybody to be up here but they let

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): the

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): cable company come up they let ups trucks come up to do deliveries they let uh the power company come up and no nobody was wearing any kind of ppp at all

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): none

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): like and none of the cops none of the fucking national guard nobody was wearing any kind of masks of any kind or any kind of outfits that would suggest that there was any kind of hazmat or kind of issue like that so so i know they were bullshitting about that for a number of days

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): then they were saying that they couldn't let people come up here because the

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): what

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): was it they were the the infrared or the the the heat detecting drones they were using to find hotspots would have gotten confused if people were in the area

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i'm like are you fucking kidding me

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): are

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you fucking kidding you're telling me that a drone operator going over the burned out section over here is going to get confused by people coming back in the other fucking three-quarter area

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): where

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): there's no hot spots

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): they're like well yeah if there was 600 people standing in a very very tight group that would be confused for fire maybe but yeah

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): one person they're looking

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): for one ember

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): it made no fucking sense and then so like there was multiple times during that time period you know like four or five days where we like were able to talk our way up because my wife has like a medical device that she actually needed to be able to get and they'd still let us go up and we went to our house and we looked around the neighborhood and everything was fucking fine none of this stuff was damaged over here nothing damaged over here nothing damaged down here

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): we've sent video back to people on the facebook groups to say hey these are the neighborhoods we went through if your house is on here it's fine line.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): And

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): people are like, oh, this is great. Yeah, everything is cool up there. And then the worst part about this was the fucking safety Nancys on there.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Because

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you know exactly the kind of people I'm talking about. How dare you go up there and violate the evacuation order? You put so many people in danger just from going up there. you should be report i mean oh my god the amount of those kind of fucking people was horrifying like i wanted to punch people in the fucking face for how much they wanted to lick the boots of

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): these

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): fucking the leadership that was telling us that we we shouldn't be going up there for for no reason whatsoever

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah you

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): know so

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): mean there's so many more details i can go into it i know we're running long but i just want people to be aware of the different things that can happen and you know comms is a big deal uh especially with communicating with other people up there mostly it was happening through facebook groups i started a new facebook group to exclude those kind of fucking people um i had all my radio equipment at you know in my house and i didn't really bring it with me

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): it probably probably in in retrospect i wish i would have

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): brought some of my bofong radios with me um but i i think there's a lot of lessons that need to be learned from this on both on leadership side and also like what they should be allowing people to do because if they were really concerned about the rest of this area

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): know gliding up on fire and not having enough manpower to be able to stop it the first thing they would probably do is let the residents come up

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): who

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): have some fucking like skin in the game because there was a bunch of us and there's people that stayed up there too that patrolled around and look for hot spots and help put them out and frankly fucking i wish like if i hadn't had my family with me if i had to worry about them like i'd have been up there too

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you know

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): being

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): useful it's important

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): to

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): feel useful

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): but they they just they were

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): they

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): were telling us a bunch of bullshit that create a lot of distrust and

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i think they they fucked up a lot and they also the other thing i would say is that they really overdeveloped the area that we live in like with the limited amount of exits that there are in this in this zone

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): the amount of development that they allowed to happen there's there's i think there's too many people and too little infrastructure for a safe way to evacuate and i think that might be coming to bite them in the ass

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): so you know what we say savage

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): fuck

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): the government

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yes

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): obviously fuck the government yeah

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): well

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): i'm glad that everything's okay i'm glad you guys made it out without

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): did

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): you have any damage at all from smoke or

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): pink water uh

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): are we there's a lot of smoke in our in our house you know that it just gets in everywhere

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): well but you

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): know since you knew that this was going to happen since you were the one that did it obviously you built those uh fucking filters weeks

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and weeks and weeks in advance yeah i did

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): dude i mean it happens every fucking year it's never been this bad

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): but

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i i did build the the coursey uh whatever rosenthal box and it's it's been a godsend like it cleans up the air in the house damn near immediately like it's fucking phenomenal it's great yeah

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): it's awesome

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and then we we lost everything that was in our fridge because power was out for three days

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i tried to get some some dry ice and stuff it in both the uh the refrigerator and the freezer

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i think it lasted for a couple days but you know by the third day was done and you know nothing else we could do after that

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): crazy man well

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): i think i think it is important that we do talk about this last story real quick which is jensen v atf and silencer shot foundation v atf but this is basically everyone's probably heard about it but a

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): the

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): u.s district judge james wesley hendrix uh ruled that nfa registration application approval and enforcement provisions for suppressors short-barreled rifles short-barreled shotguns and aow's exceed congress's power once the associated tax was effectively zeroed out multiple gun rights orgs hailed the decision and

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): what

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): this actually says is that it was unconstitutional and that basically once the tax it's literally what we've been talking about since the beginning jeremy's been screaming about this for month for like a year now is that once the tax was removed

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): the

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): nfa has no purpose it shouldn't even be a thing and all these things It be removed from the NFA. And that is a good point

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): because

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): it's true. Like it's literally, Jeremy, what was it? Supreme Court ruled at one point in a different

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): case.

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): 1937.

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Yeah.

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): So somebody challenged the, somebody challenged the NFA as soon as it got passed and it took three years to make it to the Supreme Court or yeah, three years. So in 1937, I forget what the case, it wasn't Miller, Miller, Miller v. U.S. was in 1938. i forgot what the court case was but 1937 the supreme court ruled that congress has the power to tax and because they didn't make it illegal it was just a tax congress has the power to tax whatever it wants

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): that was okay but the tax is the only thing that made it legal

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): yeah so tax was removed obviously by the big beautiful bill and this is the follow-on of that we've gotten a good result in this district court but that's not the end of the battle The government has seven days to file an appeal. I think it's like stayed for seven days to file this appeal. And basically anyone who was party to this lawsuit is

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): affected

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): by this. So current and future members of GOA and SSF, like any of the other organizations that were part of these suits, are covered by this. So that will be a little bit different for those people than other people, but eventually, hopefully, it would lead to SBRs, SPSs, suppressors, and AOWs being removed from the NFA completely. Because, again, it is unconstitutional, been proved in court a long time

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): ago.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): now

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): my my question is though

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): understand that short barrel rifles and short ball shotguns and aow's are still firearms but will suppressors get treated like firearms or will they be treated like accessories

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): see

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): that that also i have that question because the other three are very clear however the suppressor is not very clear but because you still have to do a

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): 4473 but still

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): defined as a firearm.

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): They have been saying

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): for

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): decades that they're not firearms. Therefore, the Second Amendment doesn't apply to them.

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Well,

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): they say that, but in the law, they are fine.

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): They argued that in a court case to the Supreme Court.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I am aware they did. Even though on paper, in the law, the actual law, it still says that a suppressor is a firearm. So it doesn't necessarily matter what the ATF argued as other than, rather than what actually is on paper.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): Yeah. So the

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): seven days expires on August 12th.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): A

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): lot of people, congressmen senators are, are encouraging the DOJ. And don't forget that we just had our brand new attorney general, Todd Blanche.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): um he

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): pat what the fuck is it called confirmed uh he was just confirmed so he is now the acting director of the atf so the question is he he has been reasonably uh

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): don't know pro-gun but not anti-freedom up to this point so the question is in his first act as attorney general will his

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): will

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): his groups do this appeal which will basically and effectively make him persona and non grata in the eyes of anyone who cares about freedom in this country

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): or is

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): his first act to affirm what everyone knows to be real and the fact that this is a constitutional

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): infringement it's

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): very interesting august 12th so we're recording the show on monday 8 10 so that means by wednesday they have to file the appeal now don't think that up to this point that they haven't appealed it is a good thing

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): because

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): obviously it's going to take time to put that together and if it does get appealed it will happen at the last possible moment because they're going to want as much time as they possibly can to build their case

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): and

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): then what happens nobody knows by the way i watched several videos today nobody knows what happens if they don't appeal because it's kind of unprecedented at this point

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): so

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): do not be putting stocks on your pistols don't be uh making making cans without doing the paperwork

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): it's

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): a good thing for us because now the government and the doj will be on the defensive uh in my opinion but again we still probably have a very long way to go on this

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): jeremy

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): what do you think they're going to appeal

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): think they will i wish they wouldn't uh okay i i can see why they would because down the road if they don't appeal and they just drop the case and it just fucking

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): It

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): kind of leaves it open

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): because it

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): stops at that district court.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): And

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): that leaves it open for a Supreme Court ruling later on. If they appeal it and they force a Supreme Court ruling, knowing that the government's going to lose,

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): quote

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): unquote, it's a fucking gamble. Again,

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): don't know that anybody's ever thought this through. But once that Supreme Court ruling is made, it's made. and then it's going to be a lot harder for somebody to challenge that ruling and go well you guys sandbagged it the last time so we're going to fucking you know the next administration fucking just sues and and and gets it in there so it's um

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): think they will appeal i

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): i can understand why i can understand the idea behind why they would appeal but i just want it to be done and over with

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i just wanted

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): i just i just want to have my cake back

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): right

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): i know

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): know

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i just

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): want my cake back

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): nick

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): any thoughts on this

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yes

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): ragnar if it is treated as a firearm you can manufacture your own firearm at home

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you

Nick (reference, not reviewed): can manufacture

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): there ain't

Nick (reference, not reviewed): a thought in my head

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): but

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): like i said if it just becomes an accessory that would be fucking earth shattering because because like i said there's no point in qd at that point because why wouldn't you just have a suppressor on every fucking gun because you're going to end up with cheap fucking suppressors that like yeah nox nox 25 decibels off and it lasts 5 000 rounds but it only costs 50 bucks when it burns up get another one fuck you

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): just like in south africa

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh

Nick (reference, not reviewed): i i i don't think that this is over and i think that it'll probably be a while

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): before

Nick (reference, not reviewed): uh

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you

Nick (reference, not reviewed): know before this is finished and if the outcome is good i don't i don't think that we're going to see that good outcome for some time

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah savage i

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): mean yeah it's it's it's a game of time but i think all the winds are blowing in our favor i think uh i think we can pretty much roll over what's there but it's it's it the stuff takes time to go through the system and the sooner the better so let's keep up the momentum you know

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah all

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): right awesome jeremy do some reviews

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): savage

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): by the way i recycled the other stories so we could talk about them next week if you choose to

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): wisconsin from wisconsin from wisconsin that's when it was pretty funny

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): got

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): him

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): uh blessings to all of you jeremy go full stash it's not creepy and you would make that shit look damn good sincerely west sconson and

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): look at this look at this

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): beautiful motherfucker

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): right here hold

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): on hold on

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): oh

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): he got a beard he got a fucking mustache comb

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): dusky econ said only staccato owners should have rights

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): okay wes that was good

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): alex w from california uh reviewing the cast as singers slash bands sean taylor swift technically very good at what he does but we hear so much of him that we all find ourselves wishing it would just go away once in a while nick nickelback honestly we all thought he'd be dead by now nobody fully understands what keeps him going but somehow we all end up nodding along every time he comes on jeremy five-finger death punch i really gotta explain this one it's in the name savage insert random mumble rapper because i don't care enough to look one up nobody knows what he's saying and wait that's supposed to be music

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): aaron kurt cobain because we can only hope.

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Okay, first of all, fuck you. Taylor Swift, that's the meanest shit anyone has ever said to me in a

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): review.

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): Yeah, I

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): was

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): going to say the

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): same

Nick (reference, not reviewed): thing about Nickelback.

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): Nickelback's got some good shit.

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): I

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): don't understand the collective internet hate.

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): Want to know how I know you're gay? You like Nickelback?

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): Oh, so what you're saying is you'd rather follow along with an internet trend than just admit they had a couple of good songs? Oh, no, I hate

Nick (reference, not reviewed): what if i don't

Nick (reference, not reviewed): like any of that genre of music

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): exactly

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): i don't like fucking dad rock

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): yeah

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): you do

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): never made

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): it as a wise man

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): you

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): know i know you like dad rock no because you love fucking hair metal and that's fucking dad rock

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): hey

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): you know what go fuck yourself

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): you ever think about that

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): because all the because at this point fucking metallica is dad rock

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): uh

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): jesus christ how far we've

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): fallen sean's

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): entire musical career i every time you know i the songs that my dad would play like so my i don't if you had a dad that like to annoy you?

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): No,

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): never had a dad, Jeremy, but

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): thanks for bringing that shit up.

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): That's right. I forgot. Nobody loves you.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): I'm actually just kidding.

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): I did have a dad. His name was Larry and he was a wonderful stepfather and very, uh, very good father to me growing

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): up. Yeah.

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): Dead 2.0. Got it. And, um, so for all of us that had our real dads around who loved us, um, you know, the rest of us, well, yeah,

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): your dad chose to die

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): rather than live his life with you.

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): it's

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): fair but

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): um

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): so when my dad would cook breakfast in the morning

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): jeremy

Nick (reference, not reviewed): had a real dad but not for long

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): jesus christ

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): i had a really good dad just not for a long period of time

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): we're

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): all gonna

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): cry after

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): the show

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): so

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): uh if i could handle a dead dad joke at this point in my life i like to make them to make people uncomfortable um

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): but

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): my dad would you know we cook a breakfast and shit you have all the pots and pans out and he'd have like a wooden spoon and his bachelor and he'd like be playing the drums and it was always like don't fear the reaper uh fucking uh like uh warren zvon werewolves in london it was uh um knights in white satin it was yeah like that kind of shit right and like the 60s to 60s to late 70s like you know classic rock which

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): wasn't classic rock to him um but i mean and my dad we had a we had a pretty good stereo system my dad would have that shit cranked to a fucking 11 and just throw thousands like banging on pots and pans and like singing out of key we're going dad dad stop he'd be like what i can't hear you that's awesome

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): that's

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): great man

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): but like i think about that if i did that to my kids it would be if i like the same

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): exact would

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): be like some 41

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): what

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): the fuck

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): i

Nick (reference, not reviewed): heard nirvana on a classic rock station the other day

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): bro that just fucking

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): hurts you right in the chest

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): it

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): would

Jeremy (reference, not reviewed): be the it would be the soundtrack to tony hawk pro skater you know i mean

Unknown speaker (unknown, not reviewed): jesus christ you know what

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): gold finger yeah we are all

Shawn (reference, not reviewed): gonna cry and say

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