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outsourced printing and receiver definition
personal manufacture and transfer intent
shop location and zoning
printer bans and atf guidance

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Double Tap 479 – Kitty Cats (2026-09-15) · We Like Shooting 682 – Bonecast (2026-09-29)

outsourced printing and receiver definition

“I have. I've heard it. I've also heard that as well. i mean there's no reason you can't go print that off at somebody else's house yeah at the homies well using so i remember the atf crackdown on people using other people's cnc machines to complete 80 receivers and they lost that fucking case hard yeah oh did they didn't lose that case they didn't lose that case they pulled that case because they didn't want legal precedent set so they pulled the case before it ever went anywhere because they were about to get ass fucked by a judge because the receiver of an ar-15 does not meet the federal definition of a firearms receiver legally speaking an ar-15 has no part that meets the definition of a receiver we just all accepted that it's the lower but the actual federal definition needs a fire control group and the barrel attached to it yeah and anything with a split receiver doesn't meet that definition and They were about to get ass fucked hard by a judge and they went, we withdraw the case.”

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I have. I've heard it. I've also heard that as well. i mean there's no reason you can't go print that off at somebody else's house yeah at the homies well using so i remember the atf crackdown on people using other people's cnc machines to complete 80 receivers and they lost that fucking case hard yeah oh did they didn't lose that case they didn't lose that case they pulled that case because they didn't want legal precedent set so they pulled the case before it ever went anywhere because they were about to get ass fucked by a judge because the receiver of an ar-15 does not meet the federal definition of a firearms receiver legally speaking an ar-15 has no part that meets the definition of a receiver we just all accepted that it's the lower but the actual federal definition needs a fire control group and the barrel attached to it yeah and anything with a split receiver doesn't meet that definition and They were about to get ass fucked hard by a judge and they went, we withdraw the case.
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personal manufacture and transfer intent

“And keep in mind, like, so, so here's the thing, like personal manufacturer of a firearm is, I don't want to say that it's legal. I will just say, I just want to say that it's not illegal in most places, most States in some States, it is now illegal because you know, they're commies, but that means personal manufacturers. So if you pay somebody to manufacture that for you, then they are a firearms manufacturer, basically, which they could do for themselves, but they cannot legally.”

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And keep in mind, like, so, so here's the thing, like personal manufacturer of a firearm is, I don't want to say that it's legal. I will just say, I just want to say that it's not illegal in most places, most States in some States, it is now illegal because you know, they're commies, but that means personal manufacturers. So if you pay somebody to manufacture that for you, then they are a firearms manufacturer, basically, which they could do for themselves, but they cannot legally.
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“It's just that it's not illegal. And I think that's the thing. so you know uh and and it is legal to sell or transfer a firearm that you have made so long as you did not make that firearm with the intention of selling or transferring it yeah as a as a an individual yeah uh so keep that in mind but also keep in mind this like i think i literally oh i couldn't fucking believe it but i was at target yesterday and they had a fucking a1 mini from bamboo lab and filament on the shelf and the a1 mini was 250 bucks wow it was like literally on the shelf at target just two of them sitting there and then a bunch of bamboo lab filament uh pla basic just sitting right there so maybe an a1 mini should be in your future and then you can print your own uh because you don't want spend the 300 on the serialized part but spend 250 plus you know 50 bucks on some filament print your own and also get into the hobby yeah and then you can do all kinds of cool shit yeah exactly um i was i was on the bamboo website today and you can get a i did not know this but you can get a refurbished x1c with the uh ams which is the exact setup exact setup that i have back back there yep mine right over there too um yeah the refurbished one is like 650 bucks what and it comes with a full warranty and everything don't tell me that i think 1200 for mine uh i think i paid 16 1700 for mine but i got it like early on oh my god yeah so i saw that and i was like you know i've kind of been wanting another printer uh maybe maybe that's gonna happen sooner than i thought yeah that's that's amazing because i love my x1c it's so good it's great the only thing that would stop me from getting another one from getting a refurb is the fact that the nozzles are a little bit more complicated to change out like the p2s and the a1 nozzles are like 10 seconds to swap out and yeah it's not like i do it every day but i do it at least once a month and it's just kind of a pain really man the x1c is so good yeah like i so so rarely change my nozzles well i i actually i do it pretty regularly i mean probably even more than once a month i probably do it two or three times a month uh on the p2s are you changing sizes or what yeah yeah i go from 0.4 which is the 0.4 millimeters or is it 0.04 uh 0.4 0 .4 millimeters to the 0.6 and the 0.8 depending on what i'm printing so i just printed a ton of tpu and i Went to a 0.6.”

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It's just that it's not illegal. And I think that's the thing. so you know uh and and it is legal to sell or transfer a firearm that you have made so long as you did not make that firearm with the intention of selling or transferring it yeah as a as a an individual yeah uh so keep that in mind but also keep in mind this like i think i literally oh i couldn't fucking believe it but i was at target yesterday and they had a fucking a1 mini from bamboo lab and filament on the shelf and the a1 mini was 250 bucks wow it was like literally on the shelf at target just two of them sitting there and then a bunch of bamboo lab filament uh pla basic just sitting right there so maybe an a1 mini should be in your future and then you can print your own uh because you don't want spend the 300 on the serialized part but spend 250 plus you know 50 bucks on some filament print your own and also get into the hobby yeah and then you can do all kinds of cool shit yeah exactly um i was i was on the bamboo website today and you can get a i did not know this but you can get a refurbished x1c with the uh ams which is the exact setup exact setup that i have back back there yep mine right over there too um yeah the refurbished one is like 650 bucks what and it comes with a full warranty and everything don't tell me that i think 1200 for mine uh i think i paid 16 1700 for mine but i got it like early on oh my god yeah so i saw that and i was like you know i've kind of been wanting another printer uh maybe maybe that's gonna happen sooner than i thought yeah that's that's amazing because i love my x1c it's so good it's great the only thing that would stop me from getting another one from getting a refurb is the fact that the nozzles are a little bit more complicated to change out like the p2s and the a1 nozzles are like 10 seconds to swap out and yeah it's not like i do it every day but i do it at least once a month and it's just kind of a pain really man the x1c is so good yeah like i so so rarely change my nozzles well i i actually i do it pretty regularly i mean probably even more than once a month i probably do it two or three times a month uh on the p2s are you changing sizes or what yeah yeah i go from 0.4 which is the 0.4 millimeters or is it 0.04 uh 0.4 0 .4 millimeters to the 0.6 and the 0.8 depending on what i'm printing so i just printed a ton of tpu and i Went to a 0.6.
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shop location and zoning

“The safe takes up like a quarter of the room. Yeah, absolutely. And keep in mind that there's a lot of office buildings, but also keep in mind that you have to have approval from the lessee. It has to be zoned for that kind of manufacturing business or at least firearms business, depending on what FFL you get.”

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The safe takes up like a quarter of the room.

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Yeah,

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absolutely. And keep in mind that there's a lot of office buildings, but also keep in mind that you have to have approval from the lessee. It has to be zoned for that kind of manufacturing business or at least firearms business, depending on what FFL you get.

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printer bans and atf guidance

“again this is trying to end run around the plcaa and it's bullshit and uh hopefully it gets overruled asap because this is just fucking stupid yeah bro like when does this so i believe in states rights but at some point like the supremacy clause has to take effect on some of this bullshit right uh yeah yeah none would hope so um actually i i do kind of gotta run um some other stuff's going on okay no problem i got the rest thanks bye yeah uh let's see okay so that's that saw a couple other bits of news here there's some Gavin Newsom has signed 10 new gun control bills into law one of which designed to block 3D printers from printing firearms big surprise that Gavin Communist Newsom governor of California hates guns big huge surprise he tries to roll it back because without question he wants to run for president but I think he's already done too much damage so uh he was just talking about how he's not anti-gun and stuff right he does that he does that shit uh let's see some of these ab2047 was fashioned to stop the next generation of ghost guns by requiring consumer 3d printers sold in california to incorporate technology that identifies and blocks attempts to print firearms and illegal firearms parts uh senate bill 948 dramatically expands california's firearm safety certificate requirements by mandating a minimum four-hour training course beginning in 2029 including live fire exercises and state prescribed classroom instruction ab 1743 expands the state's firearms owners data sharing framework by increasing access to information maintaining california's automated firearm system and related databases Senate bill 1220 adds a new firearm prohibition prohibiting misdemeanor to California's list of offenses that trigger 10 year firearm prohibition Sean's gone man oh I'm back I'm here Sean's gone man I'll be outside so yeah Gavin Newsom is a fucking commie no one's surprised by this I don't think but yeah 10 new gun control bills he signed that shit and he couldn't have been happier about it uh we know that we had the the suppressor um stuff that happened obviously basically removing the restriction for the nfa form fours for suppressors uh for certain classes of people members companies etc and the I think Robert Cicada, ATF director, mentioned at GRPC recently that the ATF suppressor and SBR guidance on the form 4473 is expected within weeks. And I know we're all very impatient, but this is kind of a big deal. They need to get it right.”

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again this is trying to end run around the plcaa and it's bullshit and uh hopefully it gets overruled asap because this is just fucking stupid yeah bro like when does this so i believe in states rights but at some point like the supremacy clause has to take effect on some of this bullshit right uh yeah yeah none would hope so um actually i i do kind of gotta run um some other stuff's going on okay no problem i got the rest thanks bye yeah uh let's see okay so that's that saw a couple other bits of news here there's some Gavin Newsom has signed 10 new gun control bills into law one of which designed to block 3D printers from printing firearms big surprise that Gavin Communist Newsom governor of California hates guns big huge surprise he tries to roll it back because without question he wants to run for president but I think he's already done too much damage so uh he was just talking about how he's not anti-gun and stuff right he does that he does that shit uh let's see some of these ab2047 was fashioned to stop the next generation of ghost guns by requiring consumer 3d printers sold in california to incorporate technology that identifies and blocks attempts to print firearms and illegal firearms parts uh senate bill 948 dramatically expands california's firearm safety certificate requirements by mandating a minimum four-hour training course beginning in 2029 including live fire exercises and state prescribed classroom instruction ab 1743 expands the state's firearms owners data sharing framework by increasing access to information maintaining california's automated firearm system and related databases Senate bill 1220 adds a new firearm prohibition prohibiting misdemeanor to California's list of offenses that trigger 10 year firearm prohibition Sean's gone man oh I'm back I'm here Sean's gone man I'll be outside so yeah Gavin Newsom is a fucking commie no one's surprised by this I don't think but yeah 10 new gun control bills he signed that shit and he couldn't have been happier about it uh we know that we had the the suppressor um stuff that happened obviously basically removing the restriction for the nfa form fours for suppressors uh for certain classes of people members companies etc and the I think Robert Cicada, ATF director, mentioned at GRPC recently that the ATF suppressor and SBR guidance on the form 4473 is expected within weeks. And I know we're all very impatient, but this is kind of a big deal. They need to get it right.
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“And then that three year gap of people will will then be like, you know, it will saturate that market and that will be nothing. And then you'll just be getting 18 year olds. Yeah. so it was ruled unconstitutional the case the doj has basically now said that they will not criminally prosecute anyone doing that and now the atf again we are waiting for them to do their guidance and uh they need to put it in writing because we they can say a lot of things but needs to be put in writing before we were before before anyone is actually safe to do it in my opinion and last but not least uber eats driver shoots a knife-wielding attacker after a parking dispute i'm gonna sneeze okay i did i didn't hit the mute button i have a button right next to it that is the solo button basically which means that i can only hear that channel and as i was trying to hit it i hit the solo button so my sneeze in my ear basically deafened me perfect yeah but i that that's just a reminder dude basically gets attacked over a parking space in a restaurant parking lot driver was legally carrying a firearm fired in self-defense but we got to keep in mind that things are not always that cut and dry and that you should definitely take a look at second call defense we like shooting.com slash scd um you never know the world is a crazy dangerous place and uh yeah don't don't be without their protection don't go to jail for something that you shouldn't have have the service it's very inexpensive and worth every penny we like shooting.com slash scd jeremy time for the reviews yeah review three nut chuck we like shooting we love guns hashtag savage hard r but not for retarded i think it's three nut chuck instead of two buck chuck oh uh roadrunner gunner 83 long-time listener the show is like hanging in the garage with a bunch of your retarded friends first off We'll have to start with Miss Belt Sean, the former IT guy who hosts a show with the most audio issues I've ever heard.”

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And then that three year gap of people will will then be like, you know, it will saturate that market and that will be nothing. And then you'll just be getting 18 year olds. Yeah. so it was ruled unconstitutional the case the doj has basically now said that they will not criminally prosecute anyone doing that and now the atf again we are waiting for them to do their guidance and uh they need to put it in writing because we they can say a lot of things but needs to be put in writing before we were before before anyone is actually safe to do it in my opinion and last but not least uber eats driver shoots a knife-wielding attacker after a parking dispute i'm gonna sneeze okay i did i didn't hit the mute button i have a button right next to it that is the solo button basically which means that i can only hear that channel and as i was trying to hit it i hit the solo button so my sneeze in my ear basically deafened me perfect yeah but i that that's just a reminder dude basically gets attacked over a parking space in a restaurant parking lot driver was legally carrying a firearm fired in self-defense but we got to keep in mind that things are not always that cut and dry and that you should definitely take a look at second call defense we like shooting.com slash scd um you never know the world is a crazy dangerous place and uh yeah don't don't be without their protection don't go to jail for something that you shouldn't have have the service it's very inexpensive and worth every penny we like shooting.com slash scd jeremy time for the reviews yeah review three nut chuck we like shooting we love guns hashtag savage hard r but not for retarded i think it's three nut chuck instead of two buck chuck oh uh roadrunner gunner 83 long-time listener the show is like hanging in the garage with a bunch of your retarded friends first off We'll have to start with Miss Belt Sean, the former IT guy who hosts a show with the most audio issues I've ever heard.
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